We probably need a thread for this!
Looking forward to ‘Joker’.
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I know how to fix the DC movieverse: Harley Podracing under the sea (she’ll need a bigger boat) whilst Constantine sleeps with the fishies.
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It’s started:
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I thought they closed Tumblr… u_u
Only nudity. Shark nipples don’t count.
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I just watched the season finale of Flash. grrr. I give them props for acknowledging that this is the end of the season but…….. give some sort of resolution. They are the low point of the season where everything looks darkest and their big silver lining is bringing back someone who shouldn’t been gone in the first place.
I heard they used a new story theme for this year and it failed miserably. I will pay very close attention to news about next season. I hope they admit that this season was a mistake and have a stronger showrunner/head writer to make sure things are more coherent and stable.They set out to accomplish many things this year and accomplished none.
I realize the pandemic caused problems but it was headed south before that. They also had to write Frost out due to her pregnancy but by the time next season rolls around her baby will be months old and her storyline will be unnecessary. Speaking of Cast decisions, This year’s version of Wells was the weakest yet but because of Crisis, all the others have been killed off. Fixing that is going to take inspired writing. I do not know whether the disappearances of Cisco and Joe were due to budgetary concerns (i.e. Crisis) but they are 2 of the better actors on the show so hopefully they wont be given any more lame scriptwriter 101 excuses for their absences.
edit: just saw the fall and winter CW schedule. nothing in Fall, no Legends or Supergirl in Winter. my conclusion the Arrowverse died in Crisis but nobody told Flash. (the pandemic definitely hurt but do you think people will wait a full year for Legends and Supergirl(the 2 most popular Arrowverse shows)?
Streaming killed the TV superhero. They were fun to watch but, imo, they were never good enough to pay for but Hollywood execs probably thought comic book fans were die hard enough to pay for their “fix”they moved everything to streaming platforms.
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Today’s #Arrow script page… (I was very fond of the “very fine people” joke, but it didn’t get delivered, unfortunately.) pic.twitter.com/4cGgqJKJav
— Marc Guggenheim (@mguggenheim) May 18, 2020
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How much time do they really have to replace her?
With Covid-19 about? Years, I guess?
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Well….It’s happening.
‘Justice League’ #TheSnyderCut Headed To HBO Max In 2021
Now all it has to do is be better than the travesty they released theatrically.
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I look forward to it coming out, still being a bit shit, and then all the people who called for it saying that it’s not actually the full director’s cut and there’s secretly a better version that hasn’t been released.
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It’ll be whatever it is.
I hope it’s good. It’s a historical artefact that this point.
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ha! I told you so? why yeah, I told you so…
Ain’t it I told you so?
I told you so for sure, also: I told you so.
No but seriously I think a lot of people owe Snyder an appology for calling him a liar over and over and over, when he clearly wasn’t lying.
Pretty crazy they’re gonna give him both time and money to polish this thing (specially time, tbh)… so at the very least, we’ll get a Snyder movie, not an awful mix and mash between Snyder bits and Whedon bits, and hey who knows, since it’s gonna be on streaming he might go even crazier and make it longer…
I applaud AT&T for the first and last time, probably, but for once good for them. Although I’m sure some WB execs are fuming right about now… =P
And good for Snyder, man, this kind of come uppance is rare… haters will hate, obviously, but honestly we’re still talking about his movies more than any other SH movie, so at least he does controversial stuff that’s more memorable than Disney flick #y or z…
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ha! I told you so? why yeah, I told you so… Ain’t it I told you so? I told you so for sure, also: I told you so
I remember you telling us there was a finished version of the Snyder cut sitting on a shelf, ready to go. But today’s news says he’s going to have to round up cast and crew for reshoots and additional filming to actually finish it off.
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Apart from an end to the Coronavirus there’s little I’d like more than the Snyder cut gets released and it’s proper fucking shit. We have a bog average Justice League film and a director known for nice visuals and a poor story and the myth has been driven that Citizen Kane will emerge.
It’s all going according to plan so far.
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I want Man Of Steel, the Whedon cut.
You’re dead to me!!! u_u
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This is not a small project;
It is currently unclear what form Snyder’s Justice League will take. Whether it will be released as an almost four-hour director’s cut or split into six “chapters” has yet to be decided, but the Snyders are now in the midst of reassembling much of their original postproduction crew to score, cut, add new and finish old visual effects, and, yes, maybe bring back many of the actors to record additional dialogue.
Also unclear is the cost of the endeavor. One source has pegged the effort in the $20 million range, although another source says that figure could be closer to $30 million. The parties involved had no comment.
$30m is a lot of money, but it’s also less than half what WB spent promoting the version that was released in cinemas.
As a marketing expense, it’s pretty good value, the fans of the #SnyderCut will keep this in the social media cycle until it’s screened next year.
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I was just about to post what Steve posted.
I dont really have a dog in this fight. Even though we are Nemezezes, a part of me is happy for Jon (a very tiny part).
I think a lot of us will see it. There’s lots of reasons to watch something other than just being eager to see it. Sometimes you’re bored or curious. I dont really expect it to be amazing. The bar for me to clear will be if it makes more sense then Sucker Punch.
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some stuff he didn’t get to shoot before they kicked him out
Come oooon… That’s a pretty hefty and obvious moving of the goal posts. He wasn’t kicked out in any way, shape or form: Zak Snyder quit, entirely of his own volition, to deal with his daughters suicide.
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So how do we get Firefly back?
It was a leaf on the wind. We watched it soar. Then Whedon killed them all off.
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some stuff he didn’t get to shoot before they kicked him out
Come oooon… That’s a pretty hefty and obvious moving of the goal posts. He wasn’t kicked out in any way, shape or form: Zak Snyder quit, entirely of his own volition, to deal with his daughters suicide.
How is that moving goal posts? I’ve been saying that since forever…
That’s the official story yes… I don’t believe it. I think it’s bullshit, and pretty crass that they used his tragedy as a way out.
They could’ve given him time to mourn and deal with all that, even delay the movie if necessary, no one would’ve complained given the situation. They wanted him out, they got him out. Period.
$30m is a lot of money, but it’s also less than half what WB spent promoting the version that was released in cinemas. As a marketing expense, it’s pretty good value, the fans of the #SnyderCut will keep this in the social media cycle until it’s screened next year.
Even 30 mil is chump change, all things considered… that’s what a couple of high budget TV episodes cost. But, what this number reveals is that there is enough that’s completed that they only need to spend that much… considering he wants to do additional shoots, which is where most of it will go, probably…
I dont really have a dog in this fight. Even though we are Nemezezes, a part of me is happy for Jon (a very tiny part). I think a lot of us will see it. There’s lots of reasons to watch something other than just being eager to see it. Sometimes you’re bored or curious. I dont really expect it to be amazing. The bar for me to clear will be if it makes more sense then Sucker Punch.
Well, I mean, I’m honestly just happy that Snyder got his due… he gets too much shit, it’s not normal. Plus hey, I do like his movies, so having a nice book-end to the trilogy, I’m all for that… even if people will obviously shit on it no matter what, because Snyder…
But yeah, everyone should see it… I mean, and just for all the drama over the years… it’s a pretty whack story, this whole Snydercut thing… They should definetly do a documentary on it all…
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some stuff he didn’t get to shoot before they kicked him out
Come oooon… That’s a pretty hefty and obvious moving of the goal posts. He wasn’t kicked out in any way, shape or form: Zak Snyder quit, entirely of his own volition, to deal with his daughters suicide.
How is that moving goal posts? I’ve been saying that since forever…
That’s the official story yes… I don’t believe it. I think it’s bullshit, and pretty crass that they used his tragedy as a way out.
They could’ve given him time to mourn and deal with all that, even delay the movie if necessary, no one would’ve complained given the situation. They wanted him out, they got him out. Period.
$30m is a lot of money, but it’s also less than half what WB spent promoting the version that was released in cinemas. As a marketing expense, it’s pretty good value, the fans of the #SnyderCut will keep this in the social media cycle until it’s screened next year.
Even 30 mil is chump change, all things considered… that’s what a couple of high budget TV episodes cost. But, what this number reveals is that there is enough that’s completed that they only need to spend that much… considering he wants to do additional shoots, which is where most of it will go, probably…
I dont really have a dog in this fight. Even though we are Nemezezes, a part of me is happy for Jon (a very tiny part). I think a lot of us will see it. There’s lots of reasons to watch something other than just being eager to see it. Sometimes you’re bored or curious. I dont really expect it to be amazing. The bar for me to clear will be if it makes more sense then Sucker Punch.
Well, I mean, I’m honestly just happy that Snyder got his due… he gets too much shit, it’s not normal. Plus hey, I do like his movies, so having a nice book-end to the trilogy, I’m all for that… even if people will obviously shit on it no matter what, because Snyder…
But yeah, everyone should see it… I mean, and just for all the drama over the years… it’s a pretty whack story, this whole Snydercut thing… They should definetly do a documentary on it all…
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I want Man Of Steel, the Whedon cut.
I want Man of Steel: The Waid Script.
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One of my friends made the point that Snyder’s original vision was for two films with that Knightmare narrative from Bus with the dead Lois and the time travelling Flash. That’s supposes to be teed up at the end of the first movie so I think we can expect another 5 years of “#releasesnydersJL2” after this drops.
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I think we can expect another 5 years of “#releasesnydersJL2” after this drops
Not after people see it.
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This is not common knowledge, but there exist fully completed cuts of both Snyder’s Justice League and Justice League 2: Apokolips (which features the Justice League teaming up with Hal Jordan and the Green Lantern Corps to battle Darkseid) that only play at small private screenings to Hollywood’s elite.
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This is not common knowledge, but there exist fully completed cuts of both Snyder’s Justice League and Justice League 2: Apokolips (which features the Justice League teaming up with Hal Jordan and the Green Lantern Corps to battle Darkseid) that only play at small private screenings to Hollywood’s elite.
And all they need is about $250m for some reshoots to finish it.
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I’m seriously happy about the ZSJL news.
I adore MoS, and thought BvS was a misfire (although enjoyed a lot of it). I’m just really happy that Zack will get the opportunity to at least restore some (if not all) of his vision, because the theatrical JL clearly wasn’t that.
Will it be a better film? For me, definitely. I was in for Snyder. And more Zack is infinitely better than less Zack. That’s an absolute no brainer.
Will it objectively be a better film? Who knows. I doubt it will convince all the people hating on it already. But they’ll all watch it anyway and at the very least will have more new material to crap on online.
I do applaud the people who kept banging on about it for the last few years. Take the credit, guys; you won!
On the other hand, given the possible intention to maybe run it as a six part mini, are WB hoping to repeat the success of Watchmen as “event TV”. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that this finally came to be not long after that series concluded.
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I doubt that Zack Snyder can make a cup of coffee without needing millions of dollars to re-filter and somehow ensuring the process lasts for well over two hours.
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I doubt it will convince all the people hating on it already. But they’ll all watch it anyway
Nah. I felt like it was a waste of time watching the movie in the first place, there’s no way I’m sitting through a longer version.
(Which is in contrast to BvS, where I felt mixed about the original but interested enough to watch the extended version, which definitely improved on it.)
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One of my friends made the point that Snyder’s original vision was for two films with that Knightmare narrative from Bus with the dead Lois and the time travelling Flash. That’s supposes to be teed up at the end of the first movie so I think we can expect another 5 years of “#releasesnydersJL2” after this drops.
Oh some people have already talked about that… buuuuut, that 2 parter JLA plan changed before he shot what he shot, IIRC, so I don’t think this will be that, which means that the Knightmare sequence will probably be left as a WTF! moment in BvS…
What we’re gonna get is all of the scrapped footage, mainly concerning Cyborg and Flash (and it seems more Aquaman as well), all of the scenes that were supposed to flesh out their characters better. Beyond that, no russian family I reckon, more violence, less idiotic jokes, more fighting, Superman’s black costume aaaaand Darkseid… at the very least in the flashback scenes, probably at the end as well.
Oh and supposedly Steppenwolf will actually have some character development as well and a personality, so he won’t be such a shit villain…here’s hoping, and I really hope they can revert his design back to the BvS-like look.
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You say that now, Dave. Let’s talk again next year 😉. It’ll be on Sky here, I assume. When all everyone online is going to be talking about is how amazing it is, you’ll be a better man than me if you can resist checking it out for yourself.
You might be surprised how easily I can resist.
But I am genuinely happy for those who are getting something extra here. Justice League is one of those movies that seemed to disappoint everyone but in different ways, and it’s nice that fans who wanted more of Snyder’s vision are going to get to see that.
It’s a bit like the Donner cut of Superman II finally being released – it’s not really going to change anything in the grand scheme of things, but it’s a nice option for fans to actually be able to see the lost footage and something closer to the original plan.
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but it’s a nice option for fans to actually be able to see the lost footage and something closer to the original plan.
That’s the whole thing… since they already scrapped all those plans, might as well get a good final act/trilogy out of it… Josstice League isn’t that.
Plus hey, we’re getting more Batfleck, that’s always good… and it won’t be the slightly oddly-looking overweight Batfleck… and the best thing? ZERO Whedon reshoots footage in there… no bad quality green screen… all of the original shots and the original color grading and the original JUNKIE XL SOUNTRACK!!!! woo!!!
There’s no way this ain’t MUCH better…
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Yeah, I’ll watch it. I mean, how am I supposed to argue with Jon about it if I haven’t seen it?
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Yeah, I’ll watch it. I mean, how am I supposed to argue with Jon about it if I haven’t seen it?
The less informed you remain, the more even the playing field.
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Plus hey, we’re getting more Batfleck, that’s always good… and it won’t be the slightly oddly-looking overweight Batfleck
That might depend on where he is with his substance abuse problems when he films. They may have “enhance” him with CGI.
No I don’t think they’re gonna film the actors… I think they’ll just record some lines… but at any rate, it’s not like he’s gonna get jacked for a couple of extra scenes… none of them will (cavill is already jacked ’cause of Witcher, so maybe he would), so yeah, most probably just lines…
I’m refering to the original Snyder footage, when he looked good… You can see in the theatrical release when it’s Snyder footage and when it’s Whedon reshoots… puffyfleck vs jackedfleck… =P
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No I don’t think they’re gonna film the actors… I think they’ll just record some lines… but at any rate, it’s not like he’s gonna get jacked for a couple of extra scenes… none of them will (cavill is already jacked ’cause of Witcher
If Cavill came back and filmed new Superman scenes but with the Witcher hair then that might be enough to get me to watch.
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If Cavill came back and filmed new Superman scenes but with the Witcher hair then that might be enough to get me to watch.
Superman did have a mullet when he first came back 😉
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Okay, Superman with a mullet and the moustache and a fat, drunk Batman actually sounds interesting.
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Okay, Superman with a mullet and the moustache and a fat, drunk Batman actually sounds interesting.
He did have a glorious moustache on the stream when they announced it… which btw, also, that could be VERY good news that they got Cavill in on that whole deal… that plus the recent news about WB abandoning their Supergirl movie plans MIGHT just mean Cavill’s back as Supes… and that would be wonderful…
Shit, it could even mean Snyder back for MoS2… but I’m not even gonna get excited for that… that’s too good to be true… xD
Also… I was saying saying they won’t film the actors, but hey they could actually film them for some post-show “behind the scenes” kind of thing which HBO does… so there’s that.
Maybe she wanted to do something that is to her has “a little more substance” so she quit.
Well that’s their loss… but kind of a bummer too, tbh, because from what little I saw, her as Batwoman was about the only good thing in the show… the actual costume looked decent too.
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EP Marc Guggenheim Sees Ruby Rose’s ‘Batwoman’ Exit as a “Great Creative Opportunity”
by Matt Goldberg
May 22, 2020
A few days ago, we learned that Batwoman lead actress Ruby Rose would depart the CW superhero series despite playing the title character. Rose apparently left because of the demanding schedule for the show, but whatever her reasons, Batwoman is coming back for a second season, which means that its writers will now have to figure out a way to make that departure work.
Christina Radish spoke to Batwoman executive producer Marc Guggenheim about what the show will do now that they have to find a new actress to play the masked vigilante:
This is the first time that you’ve had the departure of a title character in the Arrow-verse, before the show is complete. Is it bittersweet to have to say goodbye to Ruby Rose, or does it feel like there’s an excitement about what the possibilities next are?
GUGGENHEIM: It’s funny, I think it’s both. I was talking to one of the Batwoman writers, the other day, and we were saying how, in this, is a great creative opportunity. I think there’ll be people who come to the show, quite frankly, just to see how the writers choose to handle this. I’m a big believer that anytime you face a production challenge, and sometimes it’s in cast while sometimes it’s just logistics, in that challenge, lies a creative opportunity. I was actually talking about that with Beth Schwartz, the other day. We were talking about how, once production presumes posts the pandemic, how are we going to work with all these different limitations? And it’s the exact same thing, which is that, in those limitations and in those challenges lie the chance to do something new and different, and come up with a clever creative solution. That, to me, is the fun part of the job.
Given all the fantasy/sci-fi tools at their disposal, the writers shouldn’t have a problem finding a reason to explain why Batwoman looks different, should they bother to explain it at all. Sometimes roles are recast and audiences just roll with it. Not everything has to be explained, but I’m curious to see if the writers will pursue such an explanation.
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Glad you’re getting your SnyderCut, Jon.
Oh we’re all getting it, not just me, but thanks =P
It’s really cool to see, and not just for Snyder, for all the people who got short-changed by that whole mess, starting with Ray Fisher (who had quite an emotional response over on twitch), that was supposed to be his big break movie, instead his role got massacred in the Whedon cut… but Also Junkie XL who had done a lot of work (if not all) to be replaced by Elfman, Chris Terrio’s whose script got also murdered (and he’s hinted at not being happy about it) and many other several actors who were supposed to appear in the movie or get more screen time or dialogue, like Ciaran Hinds’ Steppenwolf.
Mind you, that sort of thing happens all of the time, but it’s nice to see one movie that has the opportunity to fix all that and show all of the work everyone actually did, whether people love it or hate it, it’s a win for sooo many people.
I can only hope the new version will get rid of that terrible CGI mustache removal.
I don’t think Snyder will use any of Whedon’s footage, so no moustache CGI.
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Hello. Just wanted to pop in and say congratulations to Jacowboy for finally getting what you always wanted.
It’ll still be terrible, you can’t make a steak dinner out of dogshit, but at least we’ll get to give Snyder his chance and the Internet will move on to something else. Great PR move by HBO.
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On a different note, I mentioned in the watching thread that I’ve tried to watch some more Titans. It’s really bad, and I’ve realised now that I hate all of the actors. They’re all terrible.
Maybe you could campaign for a Snyder cut?
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Hello. Just wanted to pop in and say congratulations to Jacowboy for finally getting what you always wanted.
It’ll still be terrible, you can’t make a steak dinner out of dogshit, but at least we’ll get to give Snyder his chance and the Internet will move on to something else. Great PR move by HBO.
Woot!!! Yo Jim… thanks for popping by =)
You will watch it and report back though, ok? I’ll even forgive you for your clearly horrible taste
Good to see that the occasion is momentous enough to bring Jim back for a bit!
See? At least Snyder brings us together =P
On a different note, I mentioned in the watching thread that I’ve tried to watch some more Titans. It’s really bad, and I’ve realised now that I hate all of the actors. They’re all terrible.
I didn’t hate it, but not for everyone… honestly, if you haven’t, just watch Doom Patrol instead, it’s clearly the winning show out of that whole attempt. I’m not even sure they renews Titans anyways… at least DP is getting another season.
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Maybe you could campaign for a Snyder cut?
I feel like this is the Snyder cut and they should fire him and hire Whedon!
if you haven’t, just watch Doom Patrol instead, it’s clearly the winning show out of that whole attempt.
I have, and agree completely!
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Oh man, it’s so funny watching the same media types who kept denying the existence of the Snyder cut now they’re all talking about “ooh what a dangerous precedent” this is… like… really queen??
Tell you what, the next time any movie gets a movement of this magnitude behind it, then sure, the studio should probably listen… but let’s see if that even happens first, because not even the SW fandom, which is MUCH bigger, have managed to get their shit together in the same way as the #releasethesnydercut crowd.
They keep comparing this to the Sonic movie, but it’s got NOTHING in common with what happened with Sonic… Like nothing at all… In the case of Sonic, the studio released a trailer that was widely and mercilessly mocked by everyone, but at no point did a “movement” emerge to #releasetheoriginalsoniclook or anything like that… and in fact, it was the studio itself that decided to backtrack and do the redesign after seeing the avalanche of negative reactions… and it didn’t take multiple years of on-line campaigning or anything of the sort.
This whole #releasethesnydercut has been a very unique thing from the get-go, to the point where it’s become a meme and a part (even if small) of pop culture, shit, it deserves a documentary tbh… I don’t think a lot of movies will gather that kind of passion and momentum behind them any time soon… but again, IF the do, then yes, maybe the studios should listen.
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It’s all quite similar to the long route to getting a true Donner cut of Superman II, isn’t it?
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the same media types who kept denying the existence of the Snyder cut
It’s probably worth remembering that the main argument was a dispute over whether a finished, ready-to-watch version of Snyder’s cut existed, which was what the fans were claiming.
The recent HBO details have made it clear this was never the case, and they’re now having to spend millions to complete it.
I don’t think anyone has ever denied that Snyder had different plans for the film than the one that was released, and that a lot of his material ended up on the cutting-room floor.
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It’s probably worth remembering that the main argument was a dispute over whether a finished, ready-to-watch version of Snyder’s cut existed, which was what the fans were claiming.
There was never “one” main argument… at first it was a flat-out “there is no Snyder cut”, no ifs or buts… then it kept evolving to the point where they started splitting hairs about it and talking about “how finished it was”.
I’ll say this: it’s not true everyone thought there was a “complete cut ready to go”, most people didn’t… some did, I’m sure, but whatever… but most people who actually followed this whole thing saw what Snyder himself posted and said over the years, so yeah, we were aware it was not completed, but it wasn’t an assembly cut either or a workprint…
But listen, fuck all the noise… Snyder said “I have a cut”… that’s really all anyone should’ve listened to… but you know… apparently you shouldn’t believe the director…
Also, I don’t wanna be all conspiracy-theory about this, but here’s the thing, those “details” that were released come from an article which is pure PR. I wouldn’t necessarily trust them, because it’s spin and it shows… But hey, whatever, Snyder’s always played ball with WB (he NEVER bad-mouthed them or nothing at all) and if that helps them save face and spin it in their favour but it gives us the cut… who cares?
I personally think a big reason this is happening for JL is that the HBO Max streaming service needs draws to get people to sign up for it.
Oh absolutely, without HBOmax, this wouldn’t have happened… or maybe, but like in the future, and they wouldn’t have given him 20-30 mil to finish it FOR SURE.
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Warner Bros will do more if it makes money. What does it cost vs what can they get? As it ever was.
“New” versions of movies aren’t new. “Restored”, “Director’s Cut”, “Extended Edition” “3D”, etc., it’s a tactic that’s made good money for a long time.
So they’ll look at the viewing figures next year and decide if it was worth it? If it does, expect more of these in the next few years.
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They keep comparing this to the Sonic movie, but it’s got NOTHING in common with what happened with Sonic… Like nothing at all… In the case of Sonic, the studio released a trailer that was widely and mercilessly mocked by everyone, but at no point did a “movement” emerge to #releasetheoriginalsoniclook or anything like that… and in fact, it was the studio itself that decided to backtrack and do the redesign after seeing the avalanche of negative reactions… and it didn’t take multiple years of on-line campaigning or anything of the sort.
Funnily, the closest example of a fan movement managing to get a studio to back a project in the end, the Browncoats and Firefly are probably the closest comparison. And while that didn’t end well (with Serenity bombing), it did get Whedon his first job as a movie director, leading to his shooting the first Avengers movie, leading to his… taking over from Snyder when they fired him from JL.
It’s a funny old world, innit?
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It did end well.
Despite having to condense the planned story arc, Serenity was a great movie.
Also, Summer Glau said she could eat my brain.
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The extent of Cavill’s return to the role — whether just for additional work to be done for the upcoming “Snyder Cut” of “Justice League” or for appearances in future films — has not been disclosed.
Ah, if it’s only for Snyder Cut work, that’s a shame. Cavill was a good Superman, and it’s too bad he never got a second Superman movie.
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it’s pretty obvious by now that we’re not getting “the Snyder cut”
Great, we can start campaigning for them to release it again!
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I guess it gives a nice ‘out’ anyway. If the new version is shit, then it wasn’t the Snyder Cut after all!
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I guess it gives a nice ‘out’ anyway. If the new version is shit, then it wasn’t the Snyder Cut after all!
Yeah, and then Snyder wasn’t actually doing the direction – The HBO execs did. If it took two years to make popcorn I would start making them now.
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