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We probably need a thread for this!

Looking forward to ‘Joker’.

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Weird that my autocorrect didn’t fix that one when it changes so many other correct words.

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Todd

rory wrote:

You’re forgetting about Johan Hex. Catwoman is at least funny bad.

No I’m not… Here’s the thing, Jonah Hex, while quite bad, is at least a Jonah Hex movie. Catwoman, besides being a bad movie in about every single regard, is only Catwoman in name… it has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the Catwoman character otherwise. That’s why it’s objectively the worst DC movie adaptation, because it isn’t even an adaptation.

It’s like taking Hancock as is and calling it Superman… (and at least Hancock is actually decen,t but you get the point).

Speaking of Snyder… again xD

I just found out he did a stream yesterday on his weird vero platform thingie only he uses, basically did a full live stream director’s comentary of BvS, so people could watch along at home… I guess he did that instead of the event they were gonna do… you can find a recording of the live stream on youtube, if anyone’s interested.

I watched it, and it’s okay, nothing amazing, just what a comentary track tends to be, some info on the scenes and all that… he kept showing his storyboard books, that was actually pretty interesting because he explained his process… he basically sketches the whole movie before shooting, pretty thorough. But it’s obviously not essential viewing. Just a nice informal director comentary stream…

I don’t know if it’s been done before, but I thought it was cool that a director would do that for his fans. I suppose everyone was waiting for him to say anything regarding the Snyder cut but he didn’t, or… well not exactly, he just made a funny coment at the end about how “someone should make a sequel to BvS” and was about to say more when the stream suddenly ended… cheeky.

Anyways, novel piece of quarantine content, I guess =P

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Zack Snyder Shares Secrets from ‘Batman v Superman’ and His Planned 5-Movie Arc

JRCarter wrote:

Zack Snyder Shares Secrets from ‘Batman v Superman’ and His Planned 5-Movie Arc

“The filmmaker storyboarded every frame of the film”

Now that’s commitment! Must have taken him ages.

I think it may also illustrate the problem with Snyder’s movies though. He focuses so much on the visuals that he wants that this pushes every other consideration away. Which is fine for a movie that consists purely of visuals (=300), but problematic when you’re expecting a story that is supposed to make sense.

Batman v Superman made sense.

You see, they both had a mother name Martha…

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Christian

I’d forgotten about Martha.

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RonnieM

Which episode of Batwoman is the Crisis crossover?

They’ve only just started showing the series here, and I don’t know how long I’ll have to wait before I can watch the entire Crisis story.

Christian wrote:

I think it may also illustrate the problem with Snyder’s movies though. He focuses so much on the visuals that he wants that this pushes every other consideration away. Which is fine for a movie that consists purely of visuals (=300), but problematic when you’re expecting a story that is supposed to make sense.

Mad Max: Fury Road had no screenplay, it was all drawn up by a group of comic artists (including Brendan McCarthy). It worked wonderfully but then again it does have one of the simplest stories around – they go over there, then come back.

My issue with Snyder’s DC stuff has always been the character short cuts used. They do a lot of illogical things to serve the narrative.

garjones wrote:

Mad Max: Fury Road had no screenplay, it was all drawn up by a group of comic artists (including Brendan McCarthy). It worked wonderfully but then again it does have one of the simplest stories around – they go over there, then come back.

Well, it did have a screenplay long before it was filmed. This one was written by McCarthy and Miller in 2001 or so, and it has a lot of McCarthy’s images, but also descriptions and dialogue:

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5a1c2452268b96d901cd3471/t/5be5d2b2898583a66a5e0001/1541788344746/mad-max-fury-road-2015.pdf

But either way, I didn’t mean to say that thinking visually is always a problem, just that it is one for Snyder. Fury Road is a great example of giving a movie space to breathe, and to build characterisation through interaction.

DavidM wrote:

Which episode of Batwoman is the Crisis crossover?

episode 9

 

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DavidM

Christian wrote:

This one was written by McCarthy and Miller in 2001 or so, and it has a lot of McCarthy’s images, but also descriptions and dialogue:

Well okay but that’s pretty far from a traditional screenplay. The scene directions are all in the pictures and in a 2000ad podcast they said the final draft was all visual and they drafted in 2 additional artists.

I agree though that thinking visually is not the problem if there’s a good grasp of narrative.

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Christian

Christian wrote:

but problematic when you’re expecting a story that is supposed to make sense.

BvS makes perfect sense (except for maybe a couple of things at most). Now, Civil War’story on the other hand is very much a mess… yet you don’t hear people shitting as much on that movie…

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Hank Cannon

Jon wrote:

Christian wrote:

but problematic when you’re expecting a story that is supposed to make sense.

BvS makes perfect sense (except for maybe a couple of things at most). Now, Civil War’story on the other hand is very much a mess… yet you don’t hear people shitting as much on that movie…

But they told jokes while they beat each other up and crippled one of their friends.

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Rocket wrote:

DavidM wrote:

Which episode of Batwoman is the Crisis crossover?

episode 9

 

The only episode of that show I’ve ever actually watched.

RonnieM wrote:

But they told jokes while they beat each other up and crippled one of their friends.

Of course… though my favorite was Tony’s bright idea of child endangerment while hypocritically trying to arrest cap. Air tight logic… =P

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I do think it is telling for me where he says he encourages his crew to look to the storyboards rather than the script because that’s his latest “vision”, that might be fine, and it may be that only the actors need scripts but it is certainly an unusual way of doing things.  To me, this goes pretty far to explain why a lot of his shot choices really do seem framed around still images.  Sometimes it’s like everything is an establishing shot or a hero shot.

Jon wrote:

Christian wrote:

but problematic when you’re expecting a story that is supposed to make sense.

BvS makes perfect sense (except for maybe a couple of things at most). Now, Civil War’story on the other hand is very much a mess… yet you don’t hear people shitting as much on that movie…

BvS makes sense if you accept all the characters are idiots.

I keep seeing people say Civil War doesn’t make sense but I’ve seen it multiple times and it’s pretty straightforward once you realize Zemo’s plan and the civil war are two separate elements. They’re not connected though Zemo takes advantage of it at points.

Do I need to point all that irony out?

Nah, I think we’re good xD

Honestly I think fanboyism over one movie being better than the other makes the fanboys come off as pretty entitled.

I enjoyed one more than the other, but I dont feel particularly obliged to shove that view on someone else, nor do I feel a great motivation to denounce someone the view of the person who really liked the other movie.

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[Jon]

I’m gonna pull a Tim… ready? here we go: “Yeah I’m not going to respond to that.”

Anyways, back to what we actually come here for, which is the ridiculous endless discussions of superhero movies:

Uncle Retrospective wrote:

Honestly, it’s not their best work (which isn’t all that great on a good day anyways), but it’s got some good laughs… it’s an april fool’s silly video, so whatever… at least it keeps the Snyder cut out there in the conversation, so yay?

Edit: I just realised Unle posted it earlier, so edited =P

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Good thing I was talking to Rory then!

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lorcan_nagle

Jon wrote:

BvS makes perfect sense (except for maybe a couple of things at most). Now, Civil War’story on the other hand is very much a mess… yet you don’t hear people shitting as much on that movie…

Eh, we talked a lot about the things that didn’t work with Civil War when it came out. Drawing comparisons now to defend BvS is besides the point.

And no, BvS doesn’t make any sense whatsoever, from the get-go. The core conflict between Batman and Superman is built on them being unable to talk to each other for even a few seconds and instead trying to beat each other up on general principle. Like Rory says, it makes perfect sense if you’re fine with them all being complete idiots.

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Well I bring Civil War up because they’re very similar movies, in a lot of regards, and they came out months appart, so… I think it’s a good comparaison to show what I truly believe is a case of double standards in regards to some movies and creators.

Knowing full well that we won’t ever reach a concensus, I’ll still say that, while not presented perfectly, the plot of BvS does make sense. Everything IS justified within the story (except one could argue the Knightmare sequence, but that’s a particular case, since that was literally setup for a future movie that never happened and maaaaaaybe Lex’s decision to create Doomsday, that was a bit illogical, I’ll admit).

People say Batman and Superman act like idiots, and sure there’s some truth to it, but it’s actually justified by the plot. You might not agree with the decisions or the direction of the story or the characters or whatever else, but it’s coherent at least: Lex had a plan, he executed it masterfully and pitted them against each other, he played them both. It’s concise from A to B to C, etc…

I know you don’t like the comparaison, but I kinda need to use it just exemplify an actual case of non-sensical storytelling. I’ll just use one exemple: Tony Stark’s whole side of the argument relies on him regretting his past decisions and supposedly growing up and taking responsability… yet, he still goes to recruit and ARM a minor with ZERO experience to go and destroy some public property on another country while totally putting his life at risk. That’s completely contradictory and non-sensical in regards to what his character’s arc is supposed to be in the movie, it’s like an 180 degree out of absolutely nowhere… it was clearly done just to have Spider-man in the movie, so basically it was done just because “it’d look cool” which is what people accuse Snyder of.

And in regards to what Rory said, yes I do realise that Zemo took advantage of the “civil war” between the heroes, but the problem is: that doesn’t justify the rest of his “plan” (if we can even call it that) and how it was built around convenience. There was no logic or coherence behind it, things just happened to go his way because that’s what the plot needed to happen. That’s literal bad writing.

JRCarter wrote:

Rocket wrote:

DavidM wrote:

Which episode of Batwoman is the Crisis crossover?

episode 9

 

The only episode of that show I’ve ever actually watched.

Good call. I watched the pilot and I wasn’t really impressed. I don’t think it’s worth an hour of my life every week.

Jon wrote:

Well I bring Civil War up because they’re very similar movies, in a lot of regards, and they came out months appart, so… I think it’s a good comparaison to show what I truly believe is a case of double standards in regards to some movies and creators.

Knowing full well that we won’t ever reach a concensus, I’ll still say that, while not presented perfectly, the plot of BvS does make sense. Everything IS justified within the story (except one could argue the Knightmare sequence, but that’s a particular case, since that was literally setup for a future movie that never happened and maaaaaaybe Lex’s decision to create Doomsday, that was a bit illogical, I’ll admit).

People say Batman and Superman act like idiots, and sure there’s some truth to it, but it’s actually justified by the plot. You might not agree with the decisions or the direction of the story or the characters or whatever else, but it’s coherent at least: Lex had a plan, he executed it masterfully and pitted them against each other, he played them both. It’s concise from A to B to C, etc…

I know you don’t like the comparaison, but I kinda need to use it just exemplify an actual case of non-sensical storytelling. I’ll just use one exemple: Tony Stark’s whole side of the argument relies on him regretting his past decisions and supposedly growing up and taking responsability… yet, he still goes to recruit and ARM a minor with ZERO experience to go and destroy some public property on another country while totally putting his life at risk. That’s completely contradictory and non-sensical in regards to what his character’s arc is supposed to be in the movie, it’s like an 180 degree out of absolutely nowhere… it was clearly done just to have Spider-man in the movie, so basically it was done just because “it’d look cool” which is what people accuse Snyder of.

And in regards to what Rory said, yes I do realise that Zemo took advantage of the “civil war” between the heroes, but the problem is: that doesn’t justify the rest of his “plan” (if we can even call it that) and how it was built around convenience. There was no logic or coherence behind it, things just happened to go his way because that’s what the plot needed to happen. That’s literal bad writing.

BvS is full of people making very dumb choices and mistakes that have nothing to do with Luther’s actions. As long as you’re willing to accept that none of the people in the movie are smart then it works fine. (Like why would anyone think that Superman shot a village full of people or how has Clark never seen a photograph of Bruce Wayne, the famous million in the neighboring city, before?)

Zemo’s plan is incredibly straightforward. The Civil War actually gets in the way of it more often than it helps him. He spent his time beforehand studying the avengers In detail. He frames Bucky so that he’ll be arrested (he knows Cap will make sure he’s brought in alive). He kills the interrogator so he can impersonate him and use Bucky’s programming to find the location of the Siberian base. He then reveals his subterfuge so that the avengers will follow him there so he can show Ironman what Bucky did (he knows how Tony and Cap will react). That’s the entire plan. The rest is complications caused by the civil war.

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[Jon]

rory wrote:

(Like why would anyone think that Superman shot a village full of people

Yeah this pretty much shows you didn’t watch the extended cut… So I guess there’s no point in arguing with you anymore… I mean, I can’t defend the theatrical cut when they basically cut some VERY important scenes from it, tbh… but there is a complete version and so we’re not even discussing the same thing it seems.

Oh, and just so you know, no, no one believed Superman shot a village full of people, they actually believed he toasted them with his laser vision (and the only reason anyone even believed anything is because Luthor bought off the witness who testified at congress), but that’s not even the point, the point is he was duped into an international clusterfuck, irregardless oh how they made it look like.

Oh an btw, you’re quite wrong: While it’s not explicitly said, it’s very heavily (and quite obviously) implied that everything that happens in the movie (except for the flashback and natural disasters of course), Luthor’s behind it. The whole Africa thing? Luthor. Congress thing? Luthor. Batman’s wild goose chase for the White Protuguese and that mysterious smuggled weapon? Luthor. Prison killings? Luthor.

It’s made clear he knows about both Superman and Batman and their civilian identities, and not only that, but he’s probably had them under surveilance for a while. He was pulling their strings (Batman’s, Superman’s and the USA government’s too) even before the movie begins. That’s actually the neat reveal moment in the movie, when you realize “ohhh shit, Luthor knows about everyone and he’s been pulling their strings for months/years”.

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This thread reminds me of that adage about having to explain a punchline.

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Yep. Also, jab, jab. Punch.

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lorcan_nagle, Todd

Maybe we should coin the term “Post-boxing”

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lorcan_nagle

Jon wrote:

I know you don’t like the comparaison, but I kinda need to use it just exemplify an actual case of non-sensical storytelling. I’ll just use one exemple: Tony Stark’s whole side of the argument relies on him regretting his past decisions and supposedly growing up and taking responsability… yet, he still goes to recruit and ARM a minor with ZERO experience to go and destroy some public property on another country while totally putting his life at risk.

There’s that, and there’s a number of other things about the plot that don’t work, and actually for similar reasons as BvS. But at least the characters (and others) make their arguments coherently; they do sit down together at points and discuss their positions and the diaogue is good enough to make you believe how it goes off the rails (“sometimes I could just punch you in your perfect teeth”). Even with all its problems, the characters and their actions are convincing enough that I can at least suspend my disbelief while watching.

That is so not the case with BvS, where the entire fight hinges on Batman wanting to fight Superman for no reason whatsoever and believing the story Luthor made up for the media and, in the end, just not letting Superman say his part. Just like is too often the case with superheroes fighting in comics, the fight is based on a daft misunderstanding (that is soon cleared up). At least in Civil War, the conflict is actually real (even if it doesn’t work if you look at the logic of it too closely, but I’ve talked about that at length when it came out).

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Additionally, why couldn’t the Alien and the Predator come  to a more realistic resolution?

 

I also feel strongly that Freddy and Jason could have talked more.

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Todd

Christian wrote:

where the entire fight hinges on Batman wanting to fight Superman for no reason whatsoever

But there IS a reason… Batman’s suffering form severe PTSD and is pretty unhinged when we meet him in the movie, he’s practically a villain by that point so far he’s fallen down from his former state. He’s made up his mind about how dangerous a Superman can be and he doesn’t wanna hear nothing from anyone, not from Alfred, from Kent or from Superman… it’s not until he’s about to literally become Joe Chill that he finally snaps out of it.

And btw, once Superman realises Lex was behind it, he DOES try to talk to Batman, but it’s no use, at that point Batman ain’t hearing shit, he’s commited to what he’s about to do, he ain’t gonna let anyone talk him out of it. And also, no, the fight is not based on a “daft misunderstanding”, Bruce has been convincing himself since MoS about why Superman needs to go, it’s not like a spur of the moment thing, it’s something that he’s been clearly thinking about and stewing on for a long time (and that was the whole point of showing the Zod fight from the ground, from Burce’s perspective, btw)… he’s been priming himself to murder a god, even if it kills him. That’s not something you decide out of nowhere.

And none of that is “acting like an idiot”. It’s just the way they decided to portray him this time… I’m okay with people not liking that portrayal, but that’s not the same as characters acting like idiots. The movie shows you plenty enough about that particular Bruce to know what you need to know. The fact that it’s not spelled out, doesn’t mean it’s not there.

Now, granted, it IS a movie that relies on people knowing who these characters are, at least enough to pick on the differences in portrayals… it’s a movie for fans of these characters and it doesn’t treat them (the fans) as morons and explain every single detail… and that should actually be praised, imo, not derided…

I mean, it’s the same reason why something like Infinity War works… and yes, I know what people say “yeah but there were like 18 movies before Infinity War”, sure, but so what? There’s been almost a century of comicbooks, cartoons and movies about these characters (batman & supes, I mean).

And hey, I could give you many more exemples of people actually acting like idiots in CW, like an entire room full of Avengers not telling Ross to fuck off as soon as he even tries to balme them for New York… I mean seriously? the gvmt was about to nuke NY, like where does he get off? And that’s not even to mention the trail of destruction he caused because of his personal vendetta against Banner… Or how about telling Tony to get the fuck off this high horse of remorse and remind him HE caused that whole Ultron debacle, and that MAYBE he should be the one to “retire”? Oh I could go on… =P

But hey, they “talked to each other” and they made some jokes… oh and look: spidey!!! so… I guess it’s good…

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Hank Cannon

This is like that episode of Frasier where there’s some kind of misunderstanding…

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Uncle Retrospective

[Christian]

Jon wrote:

But there IS a reason… Batman’s suffering form severe PTSD and is pretty unhinged when we meet him in the movie, he’s practically a villain by that point

And that’s a pretty daft point to start off with your new Batman from. Also, being unhinged and paranoid shouldn’t make Batman stupid; he should be considering all the angles all the more, and it’d be all the more reason for him to be aware that something more is going on. Except if he is a bit, you know, stupid.

Jon wrote:

And btw, once Superman realises Lex was behind it, he DOES try to talk to Batman, but it’s no use, at that point Batman ain’t hearing shit

Yeah, that was the moment I was referring to – the whole vs thing depends on Batman refusing to listen to Superman who is clearly trying to say something important; being stupid once more.

And yes, like I said, CW has some of the same issues, but it doesn’t do it quite as badly. Personally, I blame Goyer; his dialogue has always been shit.

But seriously, none of use are going to change their mind about Batman v Superman because of this discussion, Jon. Might as well let it go. I think I will try to find the time for a rewatch sometime soon to refresh my memory (and to enjoy the pretty pictures).

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Christian wrote:

And that’s a pretty daft point to start off with your new Batman from

And as I said, if people don’t like what they decided to do with the character, that’s fine, but it’s not inherently “wrong” or “idiotic”.

Christian wrote:

he should be considering all the angles all the more, and it’d be all the more reason for him to be aware that something more is going on. Except if he is a bit, you know, stupid.

Or maybe, just maybe, Lex is smarter… as he SHOULD be… unless you really wanted yet another dumbass Lex with his moronic real-estate shenanigans…

Christian wrote:

Yeah, that was the moment I was referring to – the whole vs thing depends on Batman refusing to listen to Superman who is clearly trying to say something important; being stupid once more.

I know we won’t agree, but I feel it’s an unfair critisism. Think about it this way… if you spent the last few months of your life preparing to kill an alien godly being, both physically and mentally… and we know that at his core, Batman is NOT a villain, he’s just really really broken down mentally at that point… but in that position, when it’s finally the moment, and you’re about to take that step of flat out murdering someone for, not something he’s done, but soemthing he might do, the last thing you want to do is be second guessing yourself at that very crucial moment when you need to focus to fight and kill an alien god.

Is it REAAAAALLY that much of a stretch that Batman is so focused on what he thinks and feels he needs to do that he wants no distractions and no second guessing in that moment?

Because, again, you’re about to fight an ALIEN GOD… an you’re just a human douche in a metal suit… is that really the time to have a conversation and leave him an opening? xD

Batman is there to fight and kill Superman… the real question is: Why would people think he’d have a nice chat? I mean, he’s not Spiderman, Batman never pauses mid fight to have a chat… and this Batman is even more brutal and efficient… why would people even expect him to even listen? It’s just a preconceived notion of how these things go, or are supposed to go, but that’s all it is.

It’d be like asking “Oh why didn’t John Wick just have a chat with all those people before murdering them?”… At that point of the movie, Batman’s no longer Batman, he’s John Wick, he’s the Punisher… he’s not there to talk about his feelings… he’s there to EXECUTE someone… so why the fuck would he have a chat?? =P

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Yeah, also, someone spammed the forum while I was posting that last bit… I swear it wasn’t my fault =P

Christian wrote:

the fight is based on a daft misunderstanding (that is soon cleared up).

Not only soon cleared up but 5 minutes later: “He’s my Friend!”.

No he fucking isn’t, you’ve just barely decided not to murder him.

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garjones wrote:

Not only soon cleared up but 5 minutes later: “He’s my Friend!”. No he fucking isn’t, you’ve just barely decided not to murder him.

Did you ever fight anyone on the playground?  That’s how it usually ends up.  I had a buddy that once refused to fight someone because he didn’t want to be friends later. ;)

garjones wrote:

No he fucking isn’t, you’ve just barely decided not to murder him.

Okay yeah that was a bit stupid… I’m not gonna defend a stupid joke… u_u

RonnieM wrote:

Did you ever fight anyone on the playground?  That’s how it usually ends up.  I had a buddy that once refused to fight someone because he didn’t want to be friends later. ;)

So if you’re saying that Batman and Superman are behaving like 5-year-olds in that movie, you are entirely correct.

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Look, the one uncontested great thing in BvS is Jeremy Irons as Alfred.  He gets the best lines, steals the film.

[Rocket]

Ben, Get with the Program . This board is about complaining about BvS not complimenting BvS 

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Todd

Funny little anecdote: BvS was on last week and when Ma saw Eisenberg as Luthor, she asked, “Is that the Joker?”

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RonnieM wrote:

Did you ever fight anyone on the playground?  That’s how it usually ends up.

Yes and yes but in all of those cases they did actually know the other kid for several years first.

JRCarter wrote:

Funny little anecdote: BvS was on last week and when Ma saw Eisenberg as Luthor, she asked, “Is that the Joker?”

I think they call that “foreshadowing”.

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Well, this could bring the Flash movie to a screeching halt.

The Flash Star Ezra Miller Seems to Choke a Fan in Controversial Viral Video

Despite the unprecedented situation that the world has now found itself in, it seems that nothing can stop celebrities from doing crazy things. This time, it is Justice League and Fantastic Beasts star Ezra Miller who finds themselves at the center of a social media scandal. A video clip has emerged which shows Miller seemingly choking a woman in a public setting, before forcing her to the ground. The actor is now in the middle of a controversy after the video of him physically assaulting the unknown woman has made the rounds online.

The video is now trending on social media, with users calling for the actor to have charges brought against him, whilst others are saying that he should be ‘canceled’ as a result. There are even some users who are now opening up about the interactions they have had with the actor, and they do not sound good. Of course, these are unfounded, but the video itself is pretty clear. Prior to attacking the woman, Miller can be heard saying “did you want to fight?”, after which he takes her by the throat and tackles her to the ground. The video is quite shaky after the commotion and is eventually cut, with the person behind the camera rumored to have then broken up the altercation.

The same source who shared the clip has also provided some context as to what really happened, with information allegedly coming from a companion of the woman in the video. They have said that, aside from just chocking the woman, Miller also spat on them, and showed them “scars” on his body from all of the recent brawls he has apparently been in. Allegedly, following this, the woman jokingly goaded Miller to a fight, with the actor clearly taking it too seriously. Of course, these details have yet to be confirmed, so, for now, it is probably best to treat this as the rumor it currently is. Still, the video is there for all to see, so you can be the judge.

At present, there has been no comment from Ezra Miller or any of his representatives, but the video certainly does not do his image any favor, especially considering the actor is currently set to star in Fantastic Beasts 3 as well as portray DC superhero The Flash in the upcoming solo movie. No doubt the incident will be investigated and more details will surely come to light, but for now, it is out there for everyone to speculate on, which will no doubt be a public relations nightmare.

Ezra Miller began to gain fame and recognition in 2012 following the critically acclaimed coming-of-age drama The Perks of Being a Wallflower. Most notably, Miller is known for playing the tortured Credence Barebones in the Harry Potter prequel movie series, Fantastic Beasts where he reprised the role twice and is confirmed for a third outing. He also plays Barry Allen in The Flash movie, having been introduced in 2016’s Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, followed by Justice League. Miller also suited up as the Scarlet Speedster for a cameo in the CW’s Crisis on Infinite Earths crossover. His standalone movie as the comic book hero The Flash is slated for a 2022 release. This comes to us from Twitter user @Hood_Vampire.

The Flash movie isn’t getting made? Well now I’ve heard everything.

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Todd

Oh yeah? Let me tell you this then:

Cyborg was due out on 3rd of April!

Has it been delayed due to coronavirus??

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Todd

Matt Reeves on the Humanity of THE BATMAN

Well, that’s all very broad. But I do like what he’s saying:

Though taking on Batman seems like it’d be a daunting task, Reeves told me that he approached it like any of his other projects. “I’m going to pitch the version of Batman that I would do, which is going to have a humanist bent. And who knows if they’ll have any interest? If they don’t, then I won’t do it. And that’ll be okay,” Reeves explained. “I was really lucky that they said yes.”

 

Christian wrote:

which is going to have a humanist bent

Yeah, this could mean anything. I mean, even Garth Ennis Punisher has a humanist bent if you look at how he handles the prostitutes in The Slavers.

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I cracked and watched Crisis minus the Batwoman episode. I mean, I’m used to books shipping late so I have to read incomplete stories

I think they did as a good a job as they could. It had all the inherent problems that a super-hero crossover normally has, i.e. big crowd scenes with characters just standing around like extras because it’s impossible to give them all dialogue, tons of yawn-inducing exposition because your plot is incoherent otherwise, bits that make no sense because you haven’t been following one of the titles (Arrow) for years, and side-quests that are blatantly padding because your story isn’t strong enough to fill five issues. But you put up with it because it’s just cool to see all these characters together.

So, yes, it was cool

DavidM wrote:

I cracked and watched Crisis minus the Batwoman episode. I mean, I’m used to books shipping late so I have to read incomplete stories

I think they did as a good a job as they could. It had all the inherent problems that a super-hero crossover normally has, i.e. big crowd scenes with characters just standing around like extras because it’s impossible to give them all dialogue, tons of yawn-inducing exposition because your plot is incoherent otherwise, bits that make no sense because you haven’t been following one of the titles (Arrow) for years, and side-quests that are blatantly padding because your story isn’t strong enough to fill five issues. But you put up with it because it’s just cool to see all these characters together.

So, yes, it was cool

I watched some of the clips on YouTube.  Really liked visiting heroes from other film and TV universes with the Smallville one probably being my favorite.

HBO Max Orders ‘The Shining’ Offshoot ‘Overlook’, J.J. Abrams’ ‘Duster’ & Justice League Dark Series From Bad Robot

HBO Max has greenlighted three drama series from J.J. Abrams and Katie McGrath’s Bad Robot Prods. — Overlook, inspired by Stephen King’s The Shining; Duster, conceived by Abrams; and a DC Justice League Dark show.

I cracked and watched Crisis minus the Batwoman episode.

You need to watch that if that’s the one with Kevin Conroy as Batman Beyond (kinda).
I thought he did an excellent job.

Sean Robinson wrote:

You need to watch that if that’s the one with Kevin Conroy as Batman Beyond (kinda).
I thought he did an excellent job.

It’s Kevin Conroy as Batman, so that’s a given.

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Sean Robinson wrote:

I thought he did an excellent job.

Yeah, his twelve seconds of screentime were awesome!

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paul f wrote:

a DC Justice League Dark show.

Huh. This going to be live action, it seems?

We will see if it happens, but I have to say that an HBO/Bad Robot Justice League Dark series has a shot at being on a different level from those other DC shows.

Sean Robinson wrote:

I cracked and watched Crisis minus the Batwoman episode.

You need to watch that if that’s the one with Kevin Conroy as Batman Beyond (kinda).
I thought he did an excellent job.

I’ll watch it when UK TV catches up with it, but to be honest I barely know who Kevin Conroy is and wouldn’t recognize him if I saw him.

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DavidM wrote:

Sean Robinson wrote:

I cracked and watched Crisis minus the Batwoman episode.

You need to watch that if that’s the one with Kevin Conroy as Batman Beyond (kinda).
I thought he did an excellent job.

I’ll watch it when UK TV catches up with it, but to be honest I barely know who Kevin Conroy is and wouldn’t recognize him if I saw him.

You”ll recognize his voice.

I’m aware that he’s a voice actor who did some animated version of Batman, but I don’t think I’ve ever seen any animated version of Batman so no I won’t. (Unless he’s also done something else.)

Whatever Batman sounds like in your head, Kevin Conroy sounds like that.

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Kevin Conroy sounds like Adam West?

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Anonymous wrote:

Whatever Batman sounds like in your head, Kevin Conroy sounds like that.

Going by the Nolan movies, a chain smoker?

Kevin Conroy is magic!

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DavidM wrote:

I’m aware that he’s a voice actor who did some animated version of Batman, but I don’t think I’ve ever seen any animated version of Batman so no I won’t. (Unless he’s also done something else.)

Are you admitting you haven’t seen the Filmation Batman cartoon?

I have no memory of it. I can’t recall any DC cartoons being on when I was a kid. Spider-Man is the only super-hero cartoon I remember. They may have shown Batman, but as I never read DC comics I wouldn’t have had any particular interest. Although obviously I knew the Adam West Batman from when I was… 11 or 12, I guess. Mid-70s.

DavidM wrote:

I have no memory of it. I can’t recall any DC cartoons being on when I was a kid. Spider-Man is the only super-hero cartoon I remember. They may have shown Batman, but as I never read DC comics I wouldn’t have had any particular interest. Although obviously I knew the Adam West Batman from when I was… 11 or 12, I guess. Mid-70s.

But David… some of it is from the 70s!

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lorcan_nagle wrote:

DavidM wrote:

I have no memory of it. I can’t recall any DC cartoons being on when I was a kid. Spider-Man is the only super-hero cartoon I remember. They may have shown Batman, but as I never read DC comics I wouldn’t have had any particular interest. Although obviously I knew the Adam West Batman from when I was… 11 or 12, I guess. Mid-70s.

But David… some of it is from the 70s!

Shit, some of it is from the 1960s!

It feels like every few years, we have to remind David about this.

https://youtu.be/9nmPNYzFjL8

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I’ll be honest, the Bruce Timm JL theme music is the weakest of the lot. Unmemorable and uninspiring.

DavidM wrote:

but as I never read DC comics

Huh? you never read LoSH as a child? Maybe you are not the legion fan I thought you were. Hell, Bendis read LoSH as a kid. He is probably a bigger fan than you are. He is still a crap writer but at least his heart is in the right place. You are just some johnny-come-lately when it comes to the LoSH, aren’t you?

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I used to watch The Batman/Tarzan Adventure Hour when I was a kid.  That’s the show that introduced me to Bat-Mite.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Batman/Tarzan_Adventure_Hour

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Hank Cannon wrote:

I used to watch The Batman/Tarzan Adventure Hour when I was a kid.  That’s the show that introduced me to Bat-Mite.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Batman/Tarzan_Adventure_Hour

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Darren Aronofsky’s ‘Batman’ fell apart because he wanted to cast Joaquin Phoenix

Gregory Wakeman Contributor
Yahoo Movies UK April 17, 2020, 3:28 PM EDT

Joaquin Phoenix poses with his award for Leading Actor for ‘Joker’ at the British Academy of Film and Television Awards (BAFTA) at the Royal Albert Hall in London, Britain, February 2, 2020. REUTERS/Toby Melville TPX IMAGES OF THE DAY

Alongside Tim Burton’s Superman and Stanley Kubrick’s Napoleon, Darren Aronofky’s Batman is one of the most famous films to never be made.

The Wrestler and Requiem For A Dream director was approached by Warner Bros to over-see the potential blockbuster in the early 00s, only for the film to fall apart due to creative differences.

Aronofsky has now opened up about these disputes, admitting that he knew the writing was on the wall for his Batman film when it turned out that he wanted to cast Joaquin Phoenix as the Caped Crusader, and the studio wanted Freddie Prinze Jr.

Aronofksy told Empire Magazine, “I remember thinking, ‘Uh oh, we’re making two different films here.’ That’s a true story. It was a different time. The Batman I wrote was definitely a way different type of take than they ended up making.”

Director Darren Aronofsky arrives for the UK premiere of “Mother” in London, Britain September 6, 2017. REUTERS/Peter Nicholls

The film that Aronofsky planned to make was in the mould of Death Wish, The French Connection and Taxi Driver, and was heavily influenced by Frank Miller’s Batman: Year One comic series. So much so that Miller actually wrote the script for the film.

“It was an amazing thing because I was a big fan of his graphic novel work, so just getting to meet him was exciting back then,” says Aronofsky, who says that even Miller was shocked by how far the filmmaker wanted to go. Especially since he wanted to show Batman torturing his adversaries.

“The Batman that was out before me was Batman & Robin, the famous one with the nipples on the Batsuit, so I was really trying to undermine that, and reinvent it,” he explains. “That’s where my head went.”

Warner Bros ultimately decided enough was enough, and replaced Aronofsky with Christopher Nolan. That proved to be a rather smart decision, as Nolan’s Dark Knight trilogy was a huge financial and critical success, and also reinvented the comic-book genre.

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DavidM wrote:

to be honest I barely know who Kevin Conroy is and wouldn’t recognize him if I saw him.

Kevin Conroy – Wiki

He’s the definitive voice of Batman, and it’s perfect.
Not hyperbole, just is.

Voices of Batman & Joker (Conroy & Hamill)

Conroy does other Batmen’s lines

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JRCarter wrote:

“It was an amazing thing because I was a big fan of his graphic novel work, so just getting to meet him was exciting back then,” says Aronofsky, who says that even Miller was shocked by how far the filmmaker wanted to go. Especially since he wanted to show Batman torturing his adversaries.

I always thought of Aronofsky’s Batman movie as being one of the great ‘lost’ projects, but hearing this kind of thing makes me glad it didn’t happen. It sounds like after Batman & Robin he wanted to swing too far in the opposite direction.

Well, I am sure it would habe been an interesting contributation. But I doubt it’d have contributed to Batman being a cinematic financial success.

BatMother!

To be fair to David the DC cartoons in the old days were never shown on British TV for whatever reason. We got Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends, Spiderwoman and a few Marvel ones but no DC.

I remember feeling sorry for a guy who wrote a lengthy blog post about the Superfriends influences he’d seen in Mark Millar’s DC work, sent it to him to read and Mark tweeted back he’d never seen a second of the cartoon and was only aware it existed from the ads in the back of the comics.

I did catch the 1940s Fleischer Superman cartoon but only on a cable channel in the mid 90s. The animation is amazing.

garjones wrote:

I remember feeling sorry for a guy who wrote a lengthy blog post about the Superfriends influences he’d seen in Mark Millar’s DC work, sent it to him to read and Mark tweeted back he’d never seen a second of the cartoon and was only aware it existed from the ads in the back of the comics.

I had made that connection before too.  It’s so weird as his stuff seems very in line with that and other creators with similar leanings (Alex Ross, Geoff Johns and a few others) tend to have gotten them from Superfriends.  It might just be the more Silver Age interpretations and personification of those characters.

RonnieM wrote:

It might just be the more Silver Age interpretations and personification of those characters.

I think it must be that. It’s that melding of influences, the comics into the cartoon and back out again.

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‘True Detective’ Creator Nic Pizzolatto Wants Batman to Fight God in His Version of the DC Tentpole

garjones wrote:

To be fair to David the DC cartoons in the old days were never shown on British TV for whatever reason. We got Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends, Spiderwoman and a few Marvel ones but no DC.

I remember feeling sorry for a guy who wrote a lengthy blog post about the Superfriends influences he’d seen in Mark Millar’s DC work, sent it to him to read and Mark tweeted back he’d never seen a second of the cartoon and was only aware it existed from the ads in the back of the comics.

I did catch the 1940s Fleischer Superman cartoon but only on a cable channel in the mid 90s. The animation is amazing.

I definitely saw some of the 70s Filmation Batman cartoon (the ones with Bat-Mite) at some point in my childhood, but closer to or in my teenage years. Definitely well after seeing Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends.

Dave wrote:

JRCarter wrote:

“It was an amazing thing because I was a big fan of his graphic novel work, so just getting to meet him was exciting back then,” says Aronofsky, who says that even Miller was shocked by how far the filmmaker wanted to go. Especially since he wanted to show Batman torturing his adversaries.

I always thought of Aronofsky’s Batman movie as being one of the great ‘lost’ projects, but hearing this kind of thing makes me glad it didn’t happen. It sounds like after Batman & Robin he wanted to swing too far in the opposite direction.

Christian wrote:

Well, I am sure it would habe been an interesting contributation. But I doubt it’d have contributed to Batman being a cinematic financial success.

There’s a place for a Batman-like character who doesn’t have Bruce’s moral limits, and sometimes that’s in a Batman story.

I’m still of the opinion that it shouldn’t actually be Batman himself.

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It’s why The Punisher exists.

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lorcan_nagle wrote:

I definitely saw some of the 70s Filmation Batman cartoon (the ones with Bat-Mite) at some point in my childhood, but closer to or in my teenage years

Now you mention it I do remember Bat-Mite so it must have been on at some point but it definitely had a low profile as it’s a hazy memory and nothing we used to talk about at school like the Marvel ones.

By contrast you’ll hear Millar talk endlessly about the Adam West show as that was repeated frequently. It’s probably not true in reality but it seemed like that and Star Trek TOS were on constant rotation, starting up again when they got to the end.

Todd wrote:

It feels like every few years, we have to remind David about this.

I’m not denying that it existed. But I still didn’t watch any of it, in the 60s, 70s, or ever.

Rocket wrote:

DavidM wrote:

but as I never read DC comics

Huh? you never read LoSH as a child? Maybe you are not the legion fan I thought you were. Hell, Bendis read LoSH as a kid. He is probably a bigger fan than you are. He is still a crap writer but at least his heart is in the right place. You are just some johnny-come-lately when it comes to the LoSH, aren’t you?

Yes. I first read the Legion (and any DC comic) in the mid-80s, in the middle of the Levitz run, when I was in my 20s.

This is how I definitively know the Legion is great. Because it’s not just my childhood nostalgia, it’s an objective judgement formed as a fully-aware and sophisticated adult with plenty of experience to compare it against

 

SteveUK wrote:

There’s a place for a Batman-like character who doesn’t have Bruce’s moral limits, and sometimes that’s in a Batman story.

Definitely. Jean-Paul Valley, Red Hood (Jason), Damian, The Grim Knight and to an extent even Batwoman, to name a few.

Arrow Spinoff Status: Katie Cassidy Is Feeling ‘Confident’ About Pick-Up

By Matt Webb Mitovich / April 21 2020, 11:42 AM PDT

Will Arrow‘s legacy indeed continue, in the form of the female-led Green Arrow and the Canaries spinoff?

The Arrowverse’s flagship series wrapped its eight-season run back on Jan. 28, and it has been three months since The CW ordered both Superman & Lois and its Walker, Texas Ranger reboot straight to series, with nary a frame of film shot for either. But then again… The CW has not picked up any other pilots, in part because of the pandemic-related production shutdown and with a medium-sized question mark looming over the May Upfronts, at which the broadcast networks typically reveal their plans for the new season. Those star-studded, well-attended showcases, however, are actively being reshaped for a quarantined world.

Arrow vet Katie Cassidy, who would headline Green Arrow and the Canaries with Juliana Harkavy and Katherine McNamara, tells TVLine, “I don’t know, honestly,” where things stand with the prospective offshoot. But she is bullish on its future.

“I’m a very positive person, so I feel confident that we’ll go [to series],” Laurel Lance’s portrayer shared with TVLine as part of an in-depth interview pegged to Arrow: The Eighth and Final Season, available on Blu-ray and DVD April 28. “If there was ever a time for a three-hander, all-female badass show, now is the time!” she observed with a laugh. “So I’m not worried. I’m feeling pretty good about it.”

Arrow‘s planted spinoff pilot on Jan. 21 drew 890,000 total viewers — a season high, excepting last year’s crossover episode — and a 0.3 rating, which turned out to be a tenth above what the series finale itself scored. The 2040-set episode earned an average TVLine reader grade of “B,” with 66 percent saying they would “absolutely” tune in if it gets ordered to series.

And if Green Arrow and the Canaries does land on The CW’s 2020-21 schedule, what most excites Cassidy about this next chapter in the life of Earth-Two’s Laurel?

“[Seeing] more of Black Siren and what her life was, and how she got there to 2040. Just more of her beating this path of heroes, of women, along with the Green Arrow and the other Canary,” she said. “I love playing a hero, I love playing a villain…. I’m just excited to jump into it.”

In addition to all 10 episodes, Arrow: The Eighth and Final Season (available on Blu-ray and DVD April 28) features a “Best of DCTV’s Comic-Con Panels 2019” featurette, plus the Arrow: Hitting the Bullseye special and multiple deleted scenes. The Blu-ray set also has a bonus disc that boasts all five parts of the “Crisis on Infinite Earths” crossover plus a half-dozen related featurettes.

Tues night Flash and Legends came back. I thought Legends was great. The original Z came back because nuZ was doing things only OG Z would do. Charlie’s sis arrived and is a total badass. Ava and Rory did “this is your life” with his daughter.  Flash was ehn. Ralph and the future Mrs Dibny were good. Joe gets attacked a couple of times but goes into Witsec but without his wife and daughter. The Mirror Twins wore out their welcome a couple of eps ago. Flash is whining about his lost powers. Flash really needs a head writer to keep things at least semi coherent.

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