We probably need a thread for this!
Looking forward to ‘Joker’.
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Checking to see if my theory is accurate.
Yes it is. Carry on.
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Checking to see if my theory is accurate.
Yes it is. Carry on.
what was your theory?
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🦇🏎 #TheBatman pic.twitter.com/qJFNprk1ut
— Matt Reeves (@mattreevesLA) March 4, 2020
And, yes, it does come in black.
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Congratulations are in order:
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Ugh, I don’t know. I mean, I like Gaiman’s reading a lot, but turning comics into an audible thing just seems to completely dismiss the artists’ contribution to the work. I mean, sure, you can do it, but it really just goes against the core of the Sandman comic books. Plus, I mean, the books – like all comic books – are mostly dialogue, so will this mostly be Gaiman doing voices?
I suppose if it is a very loose adaptation in which Gaiman kind of narrates the plot, it’d maybe work, but then you lose so much that it’s hard to see the point.
Maybe I’m being too pessimistic. Maybe they do know what they’re doing here. We will see.
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WTF?
Supergirl with a baby bump
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Ok…
I still like Reeves as a filmmaker but I’m not gelling with his design choices.
Waiting for a trailer and then the movie.
It all looks like a combo of Year 100 and White Knight to me. Those were both more of a gear-head approach to a lot of Batman’s equipment. I’m curious to see where it goes.
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Ugh, I don’t know. I mean, I like Gaiman’s reading a lot, but turning comics into an audible thing just seems to completely dismiss the artists’ contribution to the work. I mean, sure, you can do it, but it really just goes against the core of the Sandman comic books. Plus, I mean, the books – like all comic books – are mostly dialogue, so will this mostly be Gaiman doing voices?
I suppose if it is a very loose adaptation in which Gaiman kind of narrates the plot, it’d maybe work, but then you lose so much that it’s hard to see the point.
Maybe I’m being too pessimistic. Maybe they do know what they’re doing here. We will see.
Full cast audio adaptation with someone who knows what they’re doing in the medium, Maggs does, can work.
He’s done versions of the Batman Knightfall saga, plus Death & Return of Superman, plus couple of Judge Dredd stories – Day The Law Died and Apocalypse War. Those are all going back a bit, nice to see Maggs is still active.
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Just because I know that you guys looooooooooooooooooooooooove talking about the Snyder flicks… xD
Interesting, I’d never heard this entire clip, just bits and pieces of that talk… but Snyder here talks about a “scary idea” that made WB puss out in his very first script, the one that was supposed to be the actual sequel to BvS (not the one we’d be getting in the Snyder cut). I’ve seen a lot of people coment on how the “scary idea” was Lois dying and Superman falling prey to the anti-life equation, but I don’t think that’s it…
I think the actual “scary idea” for WB was that the movie was gonna basically end with Darkseid winning, because remember, originally there were gonna be two back-to-back JLA movies (part 1 & 2), so yeah, the first one was gonna end with a downer, and then the second one would deal with the Knightmare stuff we saw in BvS and then time travel shenanigans to fix the past and save the day… So WB probably got super cold feet with the proposed 1st movie ending in tragedy basically…
But then… I’m like… well holy shit, that sounds familiar, ain’t it? Because that’s basically Infinity War & Endgame… what he’s describing is like pretty much the same basic outline. So here’s the kicker… it turns out that DC/WB could’ve totally beaten Marvel/Disney to the punch and introduce Darkseid, and pretty much do what the did with A3/A4, but they pussed out!!!!!!! How fuckin’ insane that is? I’d love to see the discussions that happened when Infinity war (and Endgame) were massive successes. How fuckin stupid do you think they felt?? xD
So yeah, Snyder was waaay ahead of the curve… and the funny thing is, not only did DC/WB screw themselves very badly from potentially releasing a mega epic story BEFORE Marvel (for once), but when you think about it, had they gone with that, we probably wouldn’t have gotten either Infinity War or Endgame, or at least not how they ended up, since it would’ve been like copying DC at that point (which they kinda did with BvS and CW), so in a way, the kinda also helped Marvel financially… double whoopsie right there… =P
So I dunno… pretty crazy to think about what could’ve happened if WB/DC hadn’t panicked… who knows how much things would’ve changed for both the DCEU and the MCU… food for thought.
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And to really blow our minds, let’s imagine how different things could have been if the DCU movies had actually been any good!
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Two of them were… Aquaman was just fine…
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Aquaman was just fine…
Justice League was better than Aquamam. And JL was terrible.
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I had a difficult time watching Aquaman for two reasons: Amber Heard; and Amber Heard.
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I doubt that plan would have worked honestly. Infinity War worked because we had seen those characters overcome impossible odds for over a decade and were deeply invested in them. No one would really care if it happened in the same movie that introduced those characters. The attachment to them would be entirely surface level.
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I doubt that plan would have worked honestly. Infinity War worked because we had seen those characters overcome impossible odds for over a decade and were deeply invested in them. No one would really care if it happened in the same movie that introduced those characters. The attachment to them would be entirely surface level.
Maybe, but it would’ve given Feige & co. pause on their plans at least…
Also, I don’t know, I don’t think you need stand-alone movies for most of the JLA characters before such a movie, anyways… Everyone and their grandmothers know who Superman, Batman, WW, Flash & Aquaman are… the only one who really needed some sort of intro and whatnot was Cyborg, and indeed the OG script focused heavily on him.
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More people knew of Superman and Batman than any of the early MCU lead movie characters but it doesn’t matter who knows of them – the important thing is getting people to care about them. Outside of Wonder Woman, the recent DC movies have repeatedly failed in that regard.
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Woh man.
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Great to get confirmation straight from the horse’s mouth.
Well, ok, it’s from a horse who talked to another horse who said he’d seen the horse’s mouth, but still.
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Genuine question on the Snyder cut: at this point, does it suit everyone’s purposes for it to remain this unseen, mythical, brilliant version of Justice League rather than have it made public (in whatever unfinished form)?
As things stand, it allows Snyder and his fans to come out of it all with some dignity by claiming that studio interference and circumstances conspired to rob us of a brilliant film that would elevate the entire DCU to something amazing.
But if it was actually made public it would inevitably be just as polarising as the released Snyder movies and we’d essentially be in the same place we are now, but without the promise of there being a secret better Justice League in existence somewhere.
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#ReleaseTheSnyderCutUncut
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#JustMakeBetterMoviesInTheFirstPlace.
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I do wish they’d make it public, at this point. Just get it out there as some kind of special edition – they may make a few bucks off of it with the hardcore fan community, and that’d be that then. And it’d probably shut people up seriously quickly about how awesome the Snyder cut must be because, yeah, like Dave says, there is no reason to expect it to be any different from Snyder’s other superhero movies (so, somewhere between below-average and actually pretty good).
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Genuine question on the Snyder cut: at this point, does it suit everyone’s purposes for it to remain this unseen, mythical, brilliant version of Justice League rather than have it made public (in whatever unfinished form)?
As things stand, it allows Snyder and his fans to come out of it all with some dignity by claiming that studio interference and circumstances conspired to rob us of a brilliant film that would elevate the entire DCU to something amazing.
But if it was actually made public it would inevitably be just as polarising as the released Snyder movies and we’d essentially be in the same place we are now, but without the promise of there being a secret better Justice League in existence somewhere.
Well, honestly, right now? It’d probably be a GREAT idea to release it on HBOmax, considering the huge lack of high profile content we’ll be having for the forseeable future… I wouldn’t go as far as to suggest that they should release WW88 on HBOmax as well (even though it would probably boost the shit out of their initial numbers), but hey, it never hurts to have high profile stuff when you’re launching your new service.
Although, at this point, I’m not even sure if HBOmax will launch when they said… They should’ve launched like last week already to take advantage of all the quarantines and stuff… but there you go…
As for whether it’ll be good or not? Well it’s a Snyder movie, so you know… if you like his movies you’ll probably like it, if you don’t you probably won’t… I mean at least the guy is consistent. One thing is for sure, it can’t possibly be worse than the Whedon cut, so there’s that.
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WW88
WW88, from the studio that brought you SQ and Harley Queen.
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As for whether it’ll be good or not? Well it’s a Snyder movie, so you know… if you like his movies you’ll probably like it, if you don’t you probably won’t… I mean at least the guy is consistent. One thing is for sure, it can’t possibly be worse than the Whedon cut, so there’s that.
What if you liked some and didn’t like others? Personally, I thought Day of the Dead was a pretty good remake, 300 was brilliant, Watchmen was ambitious and good but deeply flawed, Sucker Punch was fucking boring, Man of Steel pretty good, Bats v. Supes very meh, and Justice Leauge quite alright.
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Apart from an end to the Coronavirus there’s little I’d like more than the Snyder cut gets released and it’s proper fucking shit. We have a bog average Justice League film and a director known for nice visuals and a poor story and the myth has been driven that Citizen Kane will emerge.
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eh whatever… haters gonna hate and faboys gonna fanboy…
Personally, with the passing of time, I legit like more and more the Snyder DC flicks (excluding Josstice League of course) than the vast majority of the MCU flicks. They age a lot better…
Also speaking of director cuts, I wouldn’t mind an Ayers’ cut for SQ… it would seem that movie also has a lot of footage that was ripped out from the movie.
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This thread has broken my brain. I think I’m getting the gist of it:
The Maleficent WW88: Harley Queen Rosebud Rides Again and Again All Over Again – Fades to SnyderBlack
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Also speaking of director cuts, I wouldn’t mind an Ayers’ cut for SQ… it would seem that movie also has a lot of footage that was ripped out from the movie.
Yeah, wow, I would really like to see even more of that tepid piece of boring that was that movie.
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I spoke to a guy who knows someone who has a friend who has seen the directors cut of Suicide Squad, and apparently it’s absolutely amazing and completely reinvents it, turning it into one of the best superhero movies of all time, (second only to the secret Trank cut of Fant4stic).
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Opening credits, end credits and a montage of funny cat videos in between?
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Also speaking of director cuts, I wouldn’t mind an Ayers’ cut for SQ… it would seem that movie also has a lot of footage that was ripped out from the movie.
Yeah, wow, I would really like to see even more of that tepid piece of boring that was that movie.
Well IIRC the rumours are that there was a whole “cut” (no idea about how finished it was) before they gave it to the people who did the trailers to do that final cut we saw… I have no idea if it would’ve been better or not, but being one of the VERY rare few people who enjoyed Letoker, I wouldn’t mind to see more of his scenes… Buuut, I have no real attachement to those characters so I don’t care all that much.
I’d totally go for a Trank cut as well… that would be… interesting, to say the least =P
Speaking of Trank, whatever happened to that guy? Did he get blacklisted or something?
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I remember rumours of Trank’s erratic behaviour being made public around the time of Fant4stic’s release. That, along with the very public dispute with the studio about the movie, could have something to do with him going quiet lately.
Just looked it up and apparently his next movie is an Al Capone biopic, Fonzo, starring Tom Hardy, which sounds like it could be interesting.
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What the hell is Justice League Mortal?
Jon, thanks I really needed to read another article about someone who hasn’t actually seen the cut but totally knows someone who has who swears it’s great. Totally convinced now.
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Oh yeah, no probably not… I mean, I’ve seen a somewhat healthy dose of people changing their mind on the DC Snyder flicks over the years, but still… probably not enough to make an actual trend.
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The thing is now these things are very divisive. A pro and anti Snyder camp.
You kind of imagine that whatever would turn up, shit or amazing, would get a set response from either group. So Ronnie is right with that.
For me, I like a lot of what Snyder does, loved the first half of Man of Steel, but it’s also usually quite flawed. He’s not the greatest with narrative, being far better visually, so there’s not a great deal of evidence there’s a hidden masterpiece to be revealed, most likely at best some cool looking scenes perhaps.
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The one benefit I could see coming out of it is that letting Snyder tell his version of the story would presumably mean at least addressing some of the loose ends that were left hanging by cutting short the larger Justice League project.
Stuff like the Flash message from the future in BvS, which I know Snyder has explained at Q&As since but which will remain forever a confusing and unresolved scene within the movies themselves.
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I don’t think he’s horrible with narratives, but again, to each their own, I understand how some people don’t like them. That said, the movie we got was really mediocre, and it’s a shame that the JL got such a mediocre movie… Snyder’s JL would probably be divisive and all that, but hey, at least memorable (for better or worse) like his other movies… I’d rather have that than a forgettable turd.
I don’t think we’ll necessarily get closure on some of those loose ends though, the movie he shot had already pressumably changed tracks from all that Knightmare stuff, so maybe he still managed to squeeze something in, but I actually don’t expect it. He does want to do some reshoots, so who knows…
I really hope he manages to revert Steppenwolf’s look back to what he was supposed to look like, but even that, it’s possible he won’t since again, there were a lot of changes to his script post BvS, and as far as I know that look is one of those changes. Hopefully one day we’ll see…
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The great unheralded Snyder cut incorporates Granny’s Peach?
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Jesse Eisenberg and Holly Hunter talking about a jar of piss in a Superman film
Yeah what were they thinking… they should’ve been talking about… real estate… again!!!!!!
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I do remember that I liked Eisenberg’s Luthor. I mean, it was basically the same performance as in The Social Network, but that was pretty good, so there.
To be fair, that’s the perfect Lex for this generation. Golden/Silver Age Lex was the mad scientist (Von Braun/Oppenheimer), Bronze Age Lex was the Wall Street/real estate tycoon (Trump) and Modern Lex is a tech billionaire (Zuckerberg) which is a bit of a blend of the previous two.
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I do remember that I liked Eisenberg’s Luthor. I mean, it was basically the same performance as in The Social Network, but that was pretty good, so there.
To be fair, that’s the perfect Lex for this generation. Golden/Silver Age Lex was the mad scientist (Von Braun/Oppenheimer), Bronze Age Lex was the Wall Street/real estate tycoon (Trump) and Modern Lex is a tech billionaire (Zuckerberg) which is a bit of a blend of the previous two.
Yeah, I thought Eisenberg’s Lex was one of the best things about the DCU movies.
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Every DC Comics Movie Ranked From Worst to Best, Including ‘Birds of Prey’ and ‘Joker’
Your mileage may vary as far as placement.
I don’t even have words… that’s the stupidest, most obvious click-baity thing I’ve ever seen. Fuck these lists man, they’re designed to make people rage comment and share because of how ridiculous they are.
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Luckily you would never fall into that trap!
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