.Anyway, there’s going to be a Keaton Batman who may or may not share a universe with an Affleck Batman and there’s a Pattinson Batman who has nothing to do with either of them? And none of them have anything to do with the Phoenix Joker?
You know what they need? A big event where they all get collapsed into one version in a single universe.
They could call it… “Calamity”… uh… “Predicament”… uh… give me a minute to work on it, I’m sure there’s a cool name they could use… 
Someone at WB must recognize, and can speak to the top, why he gets a Snyder Cut.
I figure Snyder has compromising photos they don’t want to get out.
Or maybe it’s because he’s generated a combined gross of about 3.3 billion bucks with 8 movies (2 of which absolutely flopped**, so it’s more like with 6 movies). The guy makes money, therefore he gets work. It’s not really all that complicated.
**Edit: Actually… I think it’d be more fair to say that only Sucker Punch “flopped”… Watchmen didn’t do very well theatrically (the owl cartoon movie thing didn’t do super well either), but 1) It was an R-rated movie, so it wasn’t gonna do a billion anyways, and 2) it’s been reported it did rather well in DVD sales and all that 2ndary market stuff… so it’s probably not really a flop but a theatrical disappointment.
So yeah anyways, 3.3 billion combined gross for 8 movies, 3 of which were R-rated… as far as track records go, that’s actually pretty impressive.
I don’t know if that means it’ll be available everywhere though, or how it’s gonna work yet, but seems they’re at least doing the effort to put it out outside of HBOmax
It’s a little bit better. Roku is available in some of central America and a couple of countries in Europe but it has only very recently launched outside North America (like in the last few months) so I don’t think the user base is very wide yet. There are various traditional HBO channels around the world too so they may put it there in those territories.
I think it’ll be a poor commercial decision for the reasons I mentioned earlier but in the end it’s not my money, the company has deep pockets and all streaming companies sink a lot of cash into stuff that it’s doubtful made any return. Amazon spent an absolute fortune on the Top Gear guys for The Grand Tour and while they’ve renewed it after the initial deal ran out reports are they’ve slashed the budget back closer to the previous BBC levels. The aim will also be, to a certain amount, just getting attention to the product and if fans of the Snyder DC movies are happy then good on them.
Yeah I don’t know what they’re exactly planning on doing, but at any rate, Snyder has assured folks time and again that it will be available in most places (but of course, he’s not really in charge of that so 
). I’m sure ATT has plans for HBOmax to go global at some point, but they better hurry the fuck up because if they do go forward with their 2021 movie slate thing, they’re gonna want to be as widely available as possible.
Also, on the spending front, I legit believe the Snydercut’s expenses (the reported 70+ mil to finish it, I mean) have already paid themselves with the amount of press it’s been getting… I mean, they probably took that money from the marketing budget, or they should’ve, because yes, that’s pretty much what this whole snydercut deal has been: a marketing stunt.
I still think it’s a big deal for a very niche audience, most people don’t even know who directed most movies and I doubt it has penetrated beyond the fan press places but I guess we can agree to disagree on that.
I think the big problem with global launches of these streaming platforms is the rights are all tied up with other people for the duration of their current contracts. For example almost everything from HBO goes onto the Sky Atlantic channel in the UK, Disney have had similar problems and I’d assume Warners do too, here I’ve got the CW shows spread over a lot of different channels. Arrow is on Amazon, Flash is on Netflix.
Netflix had the advantage of their originals which were never farmed out anywhere so they could make those available in 190 countries on the same day as they did a few years ago.
https://news.avclub.com/ray-cyborg-fisher-now-refusing-to-be-in-any-movies-ma-1845970504
Look, you didn’t think you were getting out of 2020 without one more uber-dramatic update from the year’s most persistently unkillable entertainment feud, did you? It’s just not to be, folks, as actor Ray Fisher, who played Cyborg in 2017’s “Did you think we’d still be thinking about this movie 3 years later, Christ?” opus, Justice League, has now made a statement that seems to come very close to breaking ties with the DC Universe of films entirely. Specifically, Fisher—who’s been embroiled with Warner Bros. in a fight over the film ever since he came forward with allegations of “abusive” behavior by director Joss Whedon on the film’s set earlier this year, along with allegations of similar vague misbehavior from producers Jon Berg and Geoff Johns—stated on Twitter today that he “will not participate” in any future projects associated with Walter Hamada. Which would be all well and good, except Walter Hamada is the current president of DC Films, i.e., the sub-studio that handles all of Warner Bros.’ superhero movies, so… Yeah.
Fisher has been beefing specifically with Hamada since September, when he asserted that the executive—who was put in charge of DC Films after Justice League received a $658 million shrug at the box office—was throwing Whedon and Berg “under the bus” in order to protect Johns, the long-time DC Comics writer who’s still reportedly heavily involved with the studio’s movie-making plans. Said plans did seem to involve attempts to bring Fisher back into the fold, reportedly with a return performance in the long-gestating Flash movie, and no stated objections to his part being expanded for Zack Snyder’s Justice League, but, well, see above.
The only thing Fisher has done since Justice League is a supporting role on True Detective S3, so it’ll be interesting to see if he’s able to get much work going forward.
What is Fisher actually alleging in terms of this abusive behaviour?
What is Fisher actually alleging in terms of this abusive behaviour?
Joss Whedon ate his parents.
Or maybe it’s because he’s generated a combined gross of about 3.3 billion bucks with 8 movies (2 of which absolutely flopped**, so it’s more like with 6 movies). The guy makes money, therefore he gets work. It’s not really all that complicated.
**Edit: Actually… I think it’d be more fair to say that only Sucker Punch “flopped”… Watchmen didn’t do very well theatrically (the owl cartoon movie thing didn’t do super well either), but 1) It was an R-rated movie, so it wasn’t gonna do a billion anyways, and 2) it’s been reported it did rather well in DVD sales and all that 2ndary market stuff… so it’s probably not really a flop but a theatrical disappointment.
So yeah anyways, 3.3 billion combined gross for 8 movies, 3 of which were R-rated… as far as track records go, that’s actually pretty impressive.
So given this impressive track record, why do you think they cancelled the second Justice League movie and completely changed their plans so that Snyder wasn’t overseeing the DC movies any more?
It’s a genuine question. I’ve always assumed that Snyder’s DC films didn’t connect with audiences and didn’t make enough money to make them viable, but if you’re suggesting that isn’t the case then I’m wondering what the alternative explanation is.
(It seems like these changes happened in the immediate aftermath of BvS, so are more to do with that movie than with how Justice League turned out.)
What is Fisher actually alleging in terms of this abusive behaviour?
He hasn’t said. One of the only things he’s claimed publicly is that they digitally altered the colour of one of the actors in post-production… which is something that happens on every film/TV show.
which is something that happens on every film/TV show.
Except James Camerons Avatar, obviously.
so I suppose there must be more that he isn’t talking about yet.
Or maybe there isn’t. Maybe Fisher just thinks Whedon is a right cunt (maybe rightly so) but doesn’t have anything substantial about his professional conduct so he keeps mentioning his behaviour without going into specifics.
But we all know Whedon probably ate Fishers parents.
The reverse Scott Tenorman. Tale as old as time.
Cyborg (a character that nobody but Johns gives a damn about)
I feel as though your life has not yet been touched by the magic of Teen Titans Go!
Is this a #metoo thing?
So while there might be merit in his complaints, whatever they are, it’s really hard to know what to think or how to react to it, without even knowing what he’s talking about. Which makes me wonder what the point is of him banging the drum about it so publicly.
Yeah, I mean, the fact that Gadot and Momoa seem to support his statements does indicate that there’s something going on, but none of this chimes with anything people have ever said about working with Whedon before, so it’s just weird. Looking around some more, the other time Fisher has by now talked about Whedon is… insubstantial to say the least:
One of the things that I will say so far is, our experience in the creation of this is Joss brought a lot of his personal and professional, for lack of a better term, resentment into the Justice League process. One of the things that he had said in our first conversation was that people didn’t ‘get’ Age of Ultron. There were certain things that were being said in that conversation where I was like, ‘Oh, this is less about the work being presented and more sort of like an ego stroke.’ To say, ‘If you like it in this movie, you should have liked it in that one. Ha ha, joke’s on you.’ Right? And that’s just creatively, that has nothing to do with any of the really egregious stuff, that’s just on a creative level. It shows, you know?
I am starting to think there really isn’t anything to this.
So given this impressive track record, why do you think they cancelled the second Justice League movie and completely changed their plans so that Snyder wasn’t overseeing the DC movies any more? It’s a genuine question. I’ve always assumed that Snyder’s DC films didn’t connect with audiences and didn’t make enough money to make them viable, but if you’re suggesting that isn’t the case then I’m wondering what the alternative explanation is. (It seems like these changes happened in the immediate aftermath of BvS, so are more to do with that movie than with how Justice League turned out.)
Well, it’s true they didn’t connect with a chunk of the audience, but in terms of viability? I disagree, yes: WB panicked with the reception of BvS, we all know that… but it’s not that his movies “didn’t make money” or that “they weren’t viable”, it’s just they didn’t make MCU levels of money. WB wanted to get that sweet MCU money but they wanted to take the shortcut and never bothered to build their house up like Feige did (kind of ironic considering WW84’s main message, ain’t it?). But both MoS and BvS did rather well… hell, even Josstice League did semi-decently (for the massive turd it was, that is).
But since the MCU’s been raising the bar so high, of course they were all expecting a billion+ paycheck, which is absurd in itself, and sure Snyder’s not everyone’s cup of tea so that didn’t help. But you can’t really call Snyder’s DC movies “financial failures” or “unviable”, that’s bullshit. Even SQ did plenty, so did WW1 (two movies who were under his “supervision”)… the ship wasn’t a financial disaster, it’s just WB was too greedy and over-reacted.
In any case, Snyder landed his Netflix gig soon after, so that kinda proves my point. And you can bet he’ll continue making movies… until he doesn’t generate money, then he’ll get the boot like any other director. What, you think Nolan gets to do whatever he wants ’cause he’s such a charming fellow? No, it’s because he also generates a fuckton of revenue for the studio.
I mean, if you all hate Snyder’s movies, that’s fine, but come on… the numbers are out there, I didn’t pull them out of my ass… as they saying goes, it’s the showBUSINESS, not the show friendship or the showcharity… he’s got a pretty good track record of making bank, whether people love or hate his movies. Plus, say what you want, but we’re still talking about fuckin’ MoS and BvS… I don’t see anyone talking about Antman or Thor 2…
Edit: BTW, I mentioned Antman becuase this reminded me of that huge debate we had with Jim… Jim said Antman was a financial failure because it did “so little”, while a lot of argued that it did actually a very respectable and decent amount… and that you can’t expect every single SH movie a studio shits out to make a billion+ because that’s kind of insane (even if evidenace would suggest otherwise, cough cough Aquaman, BP, and CM, cough).
I means it’s not a leap to imagine a film director is abusive but he seems to be finding fault with everyone, railing now against Hamada who wasn’t even in his job when the film was made.
The thing with Hamada is kinda weird… form what I understood the thing with Hamada is that supposedly he was ready to throw Berg and Whedon under the bus to keep Johns safe? Or something like that… so he’d be covering for Johns basically… I dunno, it’s confusing. He has said that he can’t say more for legal reason but that he will in due time, but eh… I don’t fuckin know, he’s been doing this in a very puzzling manner that comes across as a child lashing out on twitter. But still… who knows… I hope for him that this is not just a big pile of nothing, but if it is, he kinda dug his own grave… and if it’s not, I hope he wins. There… that’s all I can say on the subject…
But you can’t really call Snyder’s DC movies “financial failures” or “unviable”, that’s bullshit. Even SQ did plenty, so did WW1 (two movies who were under his “supervision”)… the ship wasn’t a financial disaster, it’s just WB was too greedy and over-reacted.
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I mean, if you all hate Snyder’s movies, that’s fine, but come on… the numbers are out there, I didn’t pull them out of my ass… as they saying goes, it’s the showBUSINESS, not the show friendship or the showcharity
So again, how do you explain DC binning their plan and Snyder and taking a different direction? I just don’t see the argument that they were onto a winner with Snyder but chose to throw it away.
Personally I feel as though BvS delivered decent enough takings (if not quite as much as hoped) but was so divisive among viewers that it shit the bed for future Avengers-level movies from DC. The weaker reaction to Justice League would seem to bear that out.
The theatrical release of Batman v Superman had a break even point of $750m, it fell short of that.
A ‘little bird’ I know who worked on them said the last two Avengers films had break even points of $1bn each, so they were also taking risks by budgeting so high but they paid off.
So I know what you mean in the sense that actually a lot of people went to see that movie in general terms but it did not make bank. (Yes it will undoubtedly have made a profit in the end via the home market but the unspoken secret is just about every film does eventually).
A ‘little bird’ I know who worked on them said the last two Avengers films had break even points of $1bn each, so they were also taking risks by budgeting so high but they paid off.
And crucially for Marvel, they built up almost a decade of goodwill and had plenty of previous evidence that audiences would turn out in those kinds of numbers (with the first two Avengers movies and Civil War all earning significantly more than $1bn).
For the DC movies they were banking on achieving numbers they’d never reached before. For Marvel it was more a case of hoping that their existing streak didn’t break.
I think that’s a factor, that DC were speeding tanks onto Marvel’s lawn and their taking a short-cut was not received well.
Hum, okay… but BvS made 850+ mil… So unless a good 100 million is not “bank”, then I concede… I suppose… =P
You are right, I confused myself by looking at Justice League numbers and then talking about BvS.
BvS did make a profit as Forbes say the break even was $800m but I can also understand why it would have made Warners panic a bit because it was hugely front loaded. It had an 81% drop from the opening Friday to the following week which is the biggest drop of any superhero film apart from 2003’s Hulk.
I just answered it in my previous post… xD
Just that they panicked with the reaction to BvS?
That does seem to be the turning point. They were already too deep into Justice League by that point to stop, but it looks like they pretty much retooled everything else from that point on to be completely separate to the Snyder plan.
But it goes against the suggestion that “the guy makes money, therefore he gets work. It’s not really all that complicated”, which is what you were saying earlier. He seemingly didn’t make enough money with BvS (despite getting close to a billion in takings), so the budget/expectations calculation was clearly out of whack, and there was also pretty clearly a negative audience-reaction element that gave DC cold feet about his entire direction for the line.
I don’t think it’s quite dead yet! Give it some more!!!
I may be misremembering but didn’t some of the cast of Buffy express that it was hard to work with him after the fact?
The only thing I remember is pretty much everybody else saying that Gellar was terrible to work with. With Whedon, it was mostly about him inviting people to do read-throughs of Shakespeare plays (which turned into Much Ado at some point). But I may just not have caught it back then.
I feel like it’s a slightly trumped-up version of “this guy was a bit of an asshole to work with”. Which I can absolutely believe about Whedon – despite enjoying a lot of his stuff – but at the same time might fall short of abuse or illegality.
It all feels like rumour-mongering and smearing at this stage. And like Gar says, now it’s extending to so many others too it starts to look more like general dissatisfaction with his lot rather than being specifically focused on Whedon’s behaviour alone.
Yeah, I think part of it is also that the unhappiness with the general situation and how WB replaced Snyder has been turned into venom towards Whedon.
On the other hand, I’ve just seen that Whedon has exited The Nevers, which he put down to personal exhaustion and sounds like exactly the thing that would happen if the investigations had found wrongdoings on his part…
So yeah. We will find out more about this at some point, I am sure, until then – seems like it’ll be a while before we get any new content from Whedon.
Final warning on the name calling and personal stuff here guys, it’s only a movie.
(Bitchy posts deleted).
Final warning on the name calling and personal stuff here guys, it’s only a movie.
(Bitchy posts deleted).
Snyder shot himself into the stratosphere with 300
I love that movie so much. It’s comic-booky, it’s violent and it’s bonkers. And given the source material, the characters, and the plot it does seem like a perfect fit for the worlds oldest 12-year old Snyder.
It still made 850 million!!! that’s still A LOT of money… how does that go against my suggestion that Snyder makes money???
You need to subtract costs from income to determine how much something earned. So BvS didn’t make 800 nillion, it made at most 500 million, and that’s assuming all production costs are included in the movie’s posted budget. Conventional Wisdom states that a movie needs to make 3x stated budget to make a profit and if that’s the case it lands somewhere between making 100 million or losing 50 millioon
edit: A nillion is basically the same as a million but more nihilistic.
edit2: A millioon is basically the same a nillion but needs a lot after the fact justification about why it’s good ackshually.
You need to subtract costs from income to determine how much something earned. So BvS didn’t make 800 nillion, it made at most 500 million, and that’s assuming all production costs are included in the movie’s posted budget. Conventional Wisdom states that a movie needs to make 3x stated budget to make a profit and if that’s the case it lands somewhere between making 100 million or losing 50 millioon
I see Jon’s point though, it’s not like people didn’t see BvS in big numbers. The takings were just short of what they needed to be, because the breakeven point was so ridiculously high.
When a movie makes close to a billion and still doesn’t make its money back you can’t lay that entirely at the feet of the director, the money men have to bear some of that.
You need to subtract costs from income to determine how much something earned. So BvS didn’t make 800 nillion, it made at most 500 million, and that’s assuming all production costs are included in the movie’s posted budget. Conventional Wisdom states that a movie needs to make 3x stated budget to make a profit and if that’s the case it lands somewhere between making 100 million or losing 50 millioon
I see Jon’s point though, it’s not like people didn’t see BvS in big numbers. The takings were just short of what they needed to be, because the breakeven point was so ridiculously high.
When a movie makes close to a billion and still doesn’t make its money back you can’t lay that entirely at the feet of the director, the money men have to bear some of that.
Absolutely, and it’s part of why I assume that Snyder had compromising photos of somebody high up at Warner’s. It’s clear the audience isn’t there to support the DCEU in this configuration at that expenditure. According to Wiki Justice League lost Warner’s around 60 million and while merch and home video income probably meant it’s turned a profit as an overall project, dropping the same again on reshoots is almost certainly good money after bad.
good money after bad.
YEAH YOU DID!!!!
thanks for the info. I went back and watched the Unwritten eps and the one about Kupperberg’s DP. I also liked the various incarnations of Niles during theses episodes. That second DP of Celsius, Lodestone, and Tempest always seems to be looked on poorly. I think it was because Kupperberg tried to do a more normal superhero team and how Morrison who took over for him had more success with making them stranger and more off the wall.
Final warning on the name calling and personal stuff here guys, it’s only a movie. (Bitchy posts deleted).
Oh, by “bitchy posts” you mean my post right? Because every single post of Anders calling me a fuckface for no good reason on every other thread is fine… ok thanks, I see how it is. 
dropping the same again on reshoots is almost certainly good money after bad.
I mean, sure, if you keep on refusing to acknowledge the larger picture/context around it and why it might actually be a good idea, then yes, it’s throwing good money after bad.
But no you’re probably right… Snyder must have compromising photos of WB execs… oh and AT&T execs too… Maybe Netflix execs too… shit is he a one-man CIA operation???
Ha! no, I’m just joking… I’m sure it’s just good old AT&T being a charitable corporation like they’ve always been… they really are famous for giving money away, you just need to say pretty please…
This one is just for Todd =P
Also, goddamit, this squared format is really not doing it for me… =(
This one is just for Todd =P
Also, goddamit, this squared format is really not doing it for me… =(
Who is that she is about to rape?
Who is that she is about to rape?
Well given all the spikes… looks like she’s going for Steppenwolf’s shaft… I mean axe… =P
(it’s probably the scene where she beheads him though, which might not make you feel better about it)
Is this a swipe at Snyder? Superman Director Richard Donner Is Tired of ‘Dark and Bleak’ Superhero Movies
Who knows… I mean I suppose you could say the Nolan movies are dark and bleak… and the X-Men movies too… plus Joker… plus the upcoming Battinson one… Plus there’s a link mid article to another article called “Superman Director Richard Donner Says He Has No Clue Who Zack Snyder Is”, so I’m guessing: No, not particularly.
Whatever the case may be, he must be soooo happy with the new WW… what with it being a gigantic blowjob to his superman movies and it being super upbeat and fun, just like he likes it!
Oh, by “bitchy posts” you mean my post right? Because every single post of Anders calling me a fuckface for no good reason on every other thread is fine… ok thanks, I see how it is.
I deleted one from each of you that included personal attacks, you may not have seen his since I deleted it. It’s an equal warning to both. He was told to stop with the ‘fuckface’ nonsense by Dave in post #47912 so no that isn’t fine and is also why I called it a ‘final’ warning.
So now that’s explained let’s focus on discussing DC Movies and TV please. It’s a simple and fair enough request.
That can’t be a plot point in WW1984….
It kind of is. Probably not in the direct way you’d imagine but via a mind swap plot they did manage to convolute a concept where she sleeps with a man without his knowledge or consent.
Ah. I heard a well known comic book writer worked on the script, was it Chris Claremont?
And with that, the next pointless crusade for people so media illiterate they actually like Snyder’s movies is born.
Thanks, I hate it.
And with that, the next pointless crusade for people so media illiterate they actually like Snyder’s movies is born.
Dear Offensive Irish Stereotype
Can I still like the movie 300 and not participate in this crusade?
If yes, what about mockery? Can I participate in that? And, most importantly, am I gay?
Best Regards
Mr Swede Beetroot
And with that, the next pointless crusade for people so media illiterate they actually like Snyder’s movies is born.
I don’t really understand what they’re calling for. Is it just about deeming the Snyder Cut the “official” version of Justice League or do they want Snyder rehired to continue making new DC movies?
I don’t really understand what they’re calling for. Is it just about deeming the Snyder Cut the “official” version of Justice League or do they want Snyder rehired to continue making new DC movies?
It’s pretty clear what they want. They want, as you say, the snyder cut to beome canon, Zack Snyder to be re-hired, both Wonder Woman films reshot by Michael Bay, eight million dollars in unmarked bills and an n-word pass.
And with that, the next pointless crusade for people so media illiterate they actually like Snyder’s movies is born.
I don’t really understand what they’re calling for. Is it just about deeming the Snyder Cut the “official” version of Justice League or do they want Snyder rehired to continue making new DC movies?
From what I’ve seen, the loudest voices are calling for Snyder to be rehired, allowed to make his originally planned Justice League 2 and 3, with Ben Affleck coming back as Batman (apparently Affleck gets no say in this), and for his “original vision” for the DCEU to be restored.
And I mean, fair ply on them for thinking big – you don’t ask, you don’t get. But it’s a really good example of how people look for validation online and how unhealthy that can be. You start with a bunch of people who for one reason or another are heavily invested in superhero movies being a thing, but have been put off by the MCU or Sony/Fox/Universal Marvel movies or the various other attempts to do something. So the DCEU becomes held up as a hope that this will be done right. And then the DCEU comes along and… well… It’s the DCEU, it’s not good. Reviews and box office take are not as good as Marvel, there are massive attempts at course correction as they go along.
The problem is that it’s very hard to admit you’re wrong in the internet, especially if you’ve been involved in lengthy acrimonious “debates” on the subject. The more you argue for something, especially as the arguments get personal, the more the thing you argue fore becomes part of your identity, and to admit that yeah, Batman vs Superman and Justice League are bad movies means admitting that you’re wrong, your worldview is wrong, and so it’s easier to double down. You get the accusations that Disney bought off critics, that they spent millions buying tickets for their own movies to make them look better, but the cinemas were actually empty – that becomes easier to accept and believe than the radical notion that people just liked the Avengers movies more.
Zack Snyder having to step back from making Justice League and the stories of exactly how much of the movie Joss Whedon replaced with entirely new material gives a totem of sorts, something to rally around. If only Zack’s original vision could get out there, then everyone would see that I’m right and Mark Kermode and the movie going public are all wrong!. But at the release date beckons and the public opinion appears to still be “nah, this looks shit”, you need to shift those goalposts. If people still inevitably think that Snyder’s Justice League TV show is bad, well the 4-hour black and white movie where Batman says fuck will convince them! And if that doesn’t do it, then it’s because we need the originally planned sequels to justify everything!
To make things worse, this shit becomes at focal point for the usual culture war bullshit, and people on social media and YouTube farm it for attention and money. Disney are bad because they’re SJWs virtue signalling cucks woke! They’re including women and black people and it’s bad because I tell you, and you should back the corporate product I tell you to because I say they’re good (don’t forget to like, subscribe, comment and join my patreon). And shockingly these culture warriors always seem to pick the product that’s almost doomed to fail, as if they can then further radicalise the rubes in their audience with “proof” that Disney are manipulating things because Captain Marvel made a billion and change while Battle Angel Alita broke even (seriously, they did that last one)
And so, we end up at hashtag restore the snyder verse, the most stupid chapter yet, all because a bunch of self-entitled nerds don’t want to own up to how bad these movies are.
And with that, the next pointless crusade for people so media illiterate they actually like Snyder’s movies is born.
Dear Offensive Irish Stereotype
Can I still like the movie 300 and not participate in this crusade?
If yes, what about mockery? Can I participate in that? And, most importantly, am I gay?
Best Regards
Mr Swede Beetroot
Dear That Guy From The Muppets With The Funny Voice.
You can like any shitty movie you want, I recommend you don’t rewatch it so your memories remain pure.
Love and kisses
Balaclava McSemtex
I’ll have you know my memories are quite impure, as they should.
Fucking Mark Kermode.
Fucking Mark Kermode.
Is that the long-awaited sequel to Forgetting Sarah Marshall?
And with that, the next pointless crusade for people so media illiterate they actually like Snyder’s movies is born.
I don’t really understand what they’re calling for. Is it just about deeming the Snyder Cut the “official” version of Justice League or do they want Snyder rehired to continue making new DC movies?
From what I’ve seen, the loudest voices are calling for Snyder to be rehired, allowed to make his originally planned Justice League 2 and 3, with Ben Affleck coming back as Batman (apparently Affleck gets no say in this), and for his “original vision” for the DCEU to be restored.
And I mean, fair ply on them for thinking big – you don’t ask, you don’t get. But it’s a really good example of how people look for validation online and how unhealthy that can be. You start with a bunch of people who for one reason or another are heavily invested in superhero movies being a thing, but have been put off by the MCU or Sony/Fox/Universal Marvel movies or the various other attempts to do something. So the DCEU becomes held up as a hope that this will be done right. And then the DCEU comes along and… well… It’s the DCEU, it’s not good. Reviews and box office take are not as good as Marvel, there are massive attempts at course correction as they go along.
The problem is that it’s very hard to admit you’re wrong in the internet, especially if you’ve been involved in lengthy acrimonious “debates” on the subject. The more you argue for something, especially as the arguments get personal, the more the thing you argue fore becomes part of your identity, and to admit that yeah, Batman vs Superman and Justice League are bad movies means admitting that you’re wrong, your worldview is wrong, and so it’s easier to double down. You get the accusations that Disney bought off critics, that they spent millions buying tickets for their own movies to make them look better, but the cinemas were actually empty – that becomes easier to accept and believe than the radical notion that people just liked the Avengers movies more.
Zack Snyder having to step back from making Justice League and the stories of exactly how much of the movie Joss Whedon replaced with entirely new material gives a totem of sorts, something to rally around. If only Zack’s original vision could get out there, then everyone would see that I’m right and Mark Kermode and the movie going public are all wrong!. But at the release date beckons and the public opinion appears to still be “nah, this looks shit”, you need to shift those goalposts. If people still inevitably think that Snyder’s Justice League TV show is bad, well the 4-hour black and white movie where Batman says fuck will convince them! And if that doesn’t do it, then it’s because we need the originally planned sequels to justify everything!
To make things worse, this shit becomes at focal point for the usual culture war bullshit, and people on social media and YouTube farm it for attention and money. Disney are bad because they’re
SJWsvirtue signallingcuckswoke! They’re including women and black people and it’s bad because I tell you, and you should back the corporate product I tell you to because I say they’re good (don’t forget to like, subscribe, comment and join my patreon). And shockingly these culture warriors always seem to pick the product that’s almost doomed to fail, as if they can then further radicalise the rubes in their audience with “proof” that Disney are manipulating things because Captain Marvel made a billion and change while Battle Angel Alita broke even (seriously, they did that last one)And so, we end up at hashtag restore the snyder verse, the most stupid chapter yet, all because a bunch of self-entitled nerds don’t want to own up to how bad these movies are.
Oooh! Look at me, I have a brain, I make sense – Have a load of my reasoned discourse! Oooh!
Fucking Mark Kermode.
I may have gone “hang on, did Kermode like Justice League? Probably not.” And then went and listened to his review again. It didn’t disappoint.
these snydercut fans aren’t worse than any of the other whatever fans
Sorry, but I’ve noticed a definite correlation between obsessive Snyder fans and the kind of MRA/red-pill/toxic masculinity fringe of society. The kind of person who can’t enjoy the campier, more comedic, more aware-of-its-own-ridiculousness side of superhero movies because it’s “too gay.”
Bork bork bork!
Me coming back to this thread:
Everything that you’re complaining about happens in every single other fandom, these snydercut fans aren’t worse than any of the other whatever fans
Sure, but don’t we make fun of those fans, as well?
Get ready 2021 pic.twitter.com/HeY3pluAx4 — Zack Snyder (@ZackSnyder) December 31, 2020
Reading the replies. That is a really weird cult isn’t it….
Get ready 2021 pic.twitter.com/HeY3pluAx4
— Zack Snyder (@ZackSnyder) December 31, 2020
She’s going to sexually assault those men, isn’t she?
Get ready 2021 pic.twitter.com/HeY3pluAx4 — Zack Snyder (@ZackSnyder) December 31, 2020
Reading the replies. That is a really weird cult isn’t it….
something something unhealthy parasocial relationships
Get ready 2021 pic.twitter.com/HeY3pluAx4
— Zack Snyder (@ZackSnyder) December 31, 2020
Get Ready 2021, Wonder Woman is coming to RAPE YOUUUU!!!
these snydercut fans aren’t worse than any of the other whatever fans
Sorry, but I’ve noticed a definite correlation between obsessive Snyder fans and the kind of MRA/red-pill/toxic masculinity fringe of society. The kind of person who can’t enjoy the campier, more comedic, more aware-of-its-own-ridiculousness side of superhero movies because it’s “too gay.”
Not really… you’re just seeing what you want to see.
Btw, this is literally one of the biggest group of fans within that whole fanbase, they were the ones behind the JusticeCon weekend event a few months back, so they’re part of the “faces” or “leaders” or whatever you wanna call them of that group:
Do they look like the type of folks you’re descrbing?
Sure, but don’t we make fun of those fans, as well?
Yeah sure, but not like this.
To make things worse, this shit becomes at focal point for the usual culture war bullshit, and people on social media and YouTube farm it for attention and money. Disney are bad because they’re SJWs virtue signalling cucks woke! They’re including women and black people and it’s bad because I tell you, and you should back the corporate product I tell you to because I say they’re good (don’t forget to like, subscribe, comment and join my patreon). And shockingly these culture warriors always seem to pick the product that’s almost doomed to fail, as if they can then further radicalise the rubes in their audience with “proof” that Disney are manipulating things because Captain Marvel made a billion and change while Battle Angel Alita broke even (seriously, they did that last one)
I liked both Captain Marvel and Alita: Battle Angel. Neither are exactly masterpieces, but I’d probably give both them a B or B- on a grading scale.
I do find it interesting that the redpill crowd has left The Mandalorian alone, or even embraced it even though it’s full of women and non-Caucasian characters. Even the big final battle of the second season had the title character teaming up with four women to raid Moff Gideon’s base of operations.
I don’t think it’s so much that these “culture warriors” go after bad films as they do divisive ones. There’s already a certain amount of discord among Ghostbusters fans with the franchise being rebooted instead of getting third installment with Bill Murray, Dan Aykroyd, and Ernie Hudson (sadly, Harold Ramis was no longer with us by then), and the reboot was probably never going to be good… reboots and remakes of classic and cult movies are hard enough to pull off, and since the original Ghostbusters was so reliant on the personalities involved, the 2016 was always doomed to fail. Yeah, it was four women in lead roles, but would it have been any better if it starred Jason Sudeikis, Fred Armisen, Chris Rock, and Bobby Moynihan?
And the other big one, The Last Jedi, was always going to be a divisive film among Star Wars fans for the direction it took with Luke Skywalker, among other creative decisions, and that was sort of a low-hanging fruit for the redpill culture warriors to go after. The Star Wars fandom has been volatile for over two decades, going back to Lucas replacing the original theatrical cuts of the films with the special editions, and the dislike of the prequels. It’s a franchise that set a particularly high standard for itself with the first two films that it was always going to be a herculean task to keep it going, and half of the fans are going to be disappointed with whatever they do.
And it’s kind of funny to watch these culture wars play out so intensely and rancorously online, when, in real life, probably 95% of the general public has no idea what a Social Justice Warrior or Redpill even is. I stopped dropping these things into casual conversations because when people would ask me what I meant, I would try to explain it to them, and they’d look at me like I was crazy…
I’m sure those people are 100% representative of the average Snyder-stan.
I liked both Captain Marvel and Alita: Battle Angel. Neither are exactly masterpieces, but I’d probably give both them a B or B- on a grading scale.
Yeah, they’re both perfectly serviceable movies, and really neither one has anything to do with Culture War bullshit except Brie Larson said something that upset manbabies.
I do find it interesting that the redpill crowd has left The Mandalorian alone, or even embraced it even though it’s full of women and non-Caucasian characters. Even the big final battle of the second season had the title character teaming up with four women to raid Moff Gideon’s base of operations.
They tried it a bit in series 1, the first episode Cara Dunne was in had some backlash but it didn’t take hold with the audience.
I wonder if the release of Justice League will get pushed up on HBO MAX? COVID-19 is still going strong and with potential surges on the horizon, there may be more lockdowns coming. With more people at home in the near future, it presents an opportunity to have more viewers tune in. People have had a drought of superhero films so those who may not have been inclined to watch it may do so.
And there’s a chance people could run out of pointless shit to argue about on the internet without it.
Dare to dream!
OTHER: TIL that Pedro Pascal was cast in an unaired Wonder Woman (2011) tv show produced by WBTV and DC entertainment for NBC. from DC_Cinematic
I wonder if the release of Justice League will get pushed up on HBO MAX? COVID-19 is still going strong and with potential surges on the horizon, there may be more lockdowns coming. With more people at home in the near future, it presents an opportunity to have more viewers tune in. People have had a drought of superhero films so those who may not have been inclined to watch it may do so.
Right now they’ve said “march”, which is close enough… But I’ve always thought it’s gonna be a valentine’s surprise… not because it’s valentine-ish (although, it worked for deadpool) but because of the whole “214” number… it would be pretty cool to use that date. So yeah, I wouldn’t be surprised if they move it up to an earlier date, but then again march is around the corner at this point… so no biggie if they don’t… we’ll all still be in lockdown mode by march, unfortunately.
Also, they’ve said something about a limited release in imax screens, but I don’t see that happening even in march at this point… but hey, who knows… maybe that’s also why they’re going for march and not earlier
And there’s a chance people could run out of pointless shit to argue about on the internet without it.
Ha! Isn’t there a new Alien tv series on the horizon?? We could always fall back to Prometheus in the meanwhile =P
Also, they’ve said something about a limited release in imax screens, but I don’t see that happening even in march at this point…
Depends on their geographical target and ambition. The HBO Max move for their 2021 slate appears to be an admission there’s little chance for much wide cinema business in North America but in the eastern hemisphere a lot of cinemas are up and running.
If they’ve made a version for Imax screens they may as well show it where they can. The cinemas have a shortage of new material so will be happy to get something.
but because of the whole “214” number… it would be pretty cool to use that date.
What’s the significance of the number?
And there’s a chance people could run out of pointless shit to argue about on the internet without it.
FOMA – Fear Of Missing Arguing
They tried it a bit in series 1, the first episode Cara Dunne was in had some backlash but it didn’t take hold with the audience.
Of course, the dickhead faction love her now because Gina Carano’s a transphobe.
Also, they’ve said something about a limited release in imax screens, but I don’t see that happening even in march at this point…
Depends on their geographical target and ambition. The HBO Max move for their 2021 slate appears to be an admission there’s little chance for much wide cinema business in North America but in the eastern hemisphere a lot of cinemas are up and running.
If they’ve made a version for Imax screens they may as well show it where they can. The cinemas have a shortage of new material so will be happy to get something.
Yeah I guess, plus for sure it’d be nice for cinemas to have anything to show, even if it’s JL again… Though I’m still not sure what the deal is with that… I don’t really see how they do a 4hrs long movie (although I guess you can with an old-school break at the mid point), and I don’t think they’ll cut a theatrical version… so who knows… but it would fit with their overall 2021 strategy, so they might as well…
I guess we’ll know soon enough, there should be a last trailer/announcement coming soon.
What’s the significance of the number?
Oh it’s something silly, but the original “snyder cut” people were clamoring for back then was supposed to be 214 minutes long (probably what would’ve come out as the Director’s cut if Snyder hadn’t left, since 3.5 hours would’ve been too much for theatrical), so it was known as the 214 cut… of course now we’re getting something much longer, but it’d be neat to have it released on valentine’s day just as a wink and nod.
