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saga wrote:

Anyway, there’s going to be a Keaton Batman who may or may not share a universe with an Affleck Batman and there’s a Pattinson Batman who has nothing to do with either of them? And none of them have anything to do with the Phoenix Joker?

You know what they need? A big event where they all get collapsed into one version in a single universe.

They could call it… “Calamity”… uh… “Predicament”… uh… give me a minute to work on it, I’m sure there’s a cool name they could use…

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Dave wrote:

Bumping this to fix the thread.

It worked!

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It did! That’s what I hoped would happen with my post. Clearly I do not have the Todd Touch (TM)

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Steve Sensible wrote:

Clearly I do not have the Todd Touch

That will be because of the restraining order.

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Todd

Well that’s a much better design, very Jim Lee’s nu52-esque… but holy crap those fake muscles… Also, small nitpick, but why make the belt shiny and not the S shield? =/

‘Black Adam’ Finds Its Cyclone with ‘Trinkets’ Star Quintessa Swindell (Exclusive)

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/black-adam-finds-its-cylone-with-trinkets-star-quintessa-swindell-exclusive

Zack Snyder’s Justice League may get an R-rated theatrical release

I would love to see Batman and Aquaman trying to outdo each other with F-bombs

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Eh, the R rating is gonna be for the more violent scenes, like the rumored decapitation of Steppenwolf scene… I don’t think there’s gonna be many swears in there…

He’s also re-mastering BvS to its imax format (probably to release it on HBOmax before JL comes out)… meaning that crappy squared format…

“This movie is insane! At one point Bat man drops an f-bomb!” is a literal thing Zack Snyder said.

Wow… so INSANE! Zack Snyder has the mind of a 10-year-old.

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meh… low quality bait…

Reviews are coming in on WW1984. Generally positive, an 88% RT score and 68 Metacritic.

Looking forward to this!

I didn’t care for the first movie at all – it seemed like a throwback to the early days of superhero movies, and not in a good way.

The first 3 minutes of WW84 are online here, and it’s better than the entirety of the first movie, particularly the start of the race at 2:44, which is the kind makes-the-hairs-on-the-back-of-your-neck-stand-up moment that you experience so rarely these days.

Steve Sensible wrote:

“This movie is insane! At one point Bat man drops an f-bomb!” is a literal thing Zack Snyder said. Wow… so INSANE! Zack Snyder has the mind of a 10-year-old.

They might as well go all out and do that scene in Batman: Damned where we get the Batwang swinging around.

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A thread of reasons why Batman might say “fuck” in the Znyder Cut, illustrated by Rob MacKay.

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lorcan_nagle

Yes, there’s nothing more wrong with the world than Batman saying fuck… we are indeed fucked… game over, the planet’s done, the end is nigh.

You’re right, you’re right. No more making fun of Zack Snyder!

No matter how easy he makes it.

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This one is genius:

“He accidentally bought the 2014 Robocop instead of the original.”

https://twitter.com/RobJMacKay/status/1338994407354331142/photo/1

Honestly, though, I expect it’ll be some nice ultra-violence. Which is fine.

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Also, didn’t he already said fuck in BvS?? I’m pretty sure he did… anyways… I did like those little cartoons… they make batman relatable xD

‘Superman & Lois’ Adds ‘Tyrant’ Star Adam Rayner As Morgan Edge

And in other “actor wants work” news:

https://comicbook.com/tv-shows/news/saved-by-the-bell-reboot-dexter-darden-wants-to-be-in-michael-b-jordan-static-shock/

JRCarter wrote:

‘Superman & Lois’ Adds ‘Tyrant’ Star Adam Rayner As Morgan Edge

Weird, Morgan Edge has already been featured in Supergirl, played by Adrian Pasdar. I guess recasting isn’t that unusual for supporting characters, though.

Yeah, they’ve already recast Sam Lane. On Supergirl, he was played by Glenn Morshower. Here, he’ll be played by Dylan Walsh.

A clip of the Imax remastered version of BvS… it looks soooooooooo weird in that format… that might destroy my enjoyment of JL, tbh… it’s gonna get some getting used to at least… =/

https://vero.co/zacksnyder/BQ9-rJG6z188bCR2KhDJShNJ

The framing looks a bit off- has it been cropped for the Imax aspect ratio?

One of my only bugbears with Nolan’s Dark Knight is the Imax scenes, which when you watch them at home retain that squarer format – so the aspect ratio changes mid-movie depending on whether it was an Imax scene. It’s really distracting once you notice it.

Well I think that’s a true Imax ratio, not like the ones in Dark Knight and such, which if I understand correctly, those are still cropped but to a lesser degree…

And yes, it’s a bit jarring in those movies, but it’s still a rectangular aspect ratio, it’s just “full screen” instead of having the black bars… but this Snyder thing goes waaaaaaaaaaaay beyond that, I mean, it’s more similar to old TV stuff, which is just super fucking weird already, but I kinda like the super horizontal aspect ratio, with the horizontal bars, so yea, this looks super jarring to me.

Jon wrote:

a rectangular aspect ratio

All squares are rectangles.

But yes, this does look close to 4:3. I didn’t think it was that bad at first, but after going full-screen on my 16:9 computer monitor it does actually look quite jarring.

It’s probably a 1.66:1 aspect ratio.

From what I understand, the Snyder cut of Justice League will be in a 1.66:1 aspect ratio, too.

Yeah, that’s the one I’m worried about… BvS exists in regular format =P

Although it’ll be at least interesting to watch the differences. But yeah, it’s strange… technically you’re getting more image, yet it feels like less anyways…

Edit:

Also, around halfway through this interview (and man, he’s been doing a TON of fan interviews), he does some shot comparaisons… a pretty interesting bit, specially the cyborg one, because it really shows how much Whedon changed, even down to very small details that didn’t really needed to be changed (maybe it was done for cost-saving reasons, yet re-shooting stuff would also be expensive no? but I guess a lot less CGI in that final shot for sure)…

Also, I love how Snyder behaves like a complete child when explaining things… you can see he very much enjoys what he does xD

I really hope there’s companion material to the release showing the process or other behind the scenes stuff… honestly the whole story is probably more fascinating that the movie could ever be.

Big plans revealed for DC movies – they’re looking at 6 films a year, four theatrical and two straight to HBO Max.

https://ew.com/movies/warner-bros-superhero-movie-plan/

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(I assume at least two or three of them each year will be Snyder Cuts.)

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Warner Executives: *Completely fail to make a coherent movie universe.*

Also Warner Executives: “LeT’s MaKe A mUlTiVeRsE!!!!1!!”

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Bruce, Todd

It’s a dumb idea. The convoluted nature and obsession with its multiverse is probably the worst and least welcoming aspect of DC comics. I hope for their sake they keep the idea fairly light touch and the films mostly stand alone without worrying about that aspect.

I actually think the multiverse stuff is a bit of a red herring as I don’t think audiences care that much either way. The X-Men movies weren’t really affected either positively or negatively by the fact that all the continuity didn’t add up and they all ended up on different timelines, and certainly people have proven ready to accept that kind of thing on TV too.

It’s a pretty mainstream concept that’s not too hard to grasp, and it’s not even like it’s one of those things that has to be kept in the background to work: the animated Spider-Man movie made it the centre of its plot, and that’s largely aimed at kids.

And it looks like the MCU movies are leaning into it in their next cycle too (with Strange and Spidey), so it’ll be flavour of the month to some extent.

Having said that, I don’t think it’s absolutely necessary and I hope they don’t shift all their focus onto that aspect at the expense of other stories.

As ever, the boring and simple (but maybe hard to achieve) answer is that they just need to make good movies that people like and want to see more of. You can do that with the multiverse or without, I don’t think it really matters.

Dave wrote:

I actually think the multiverse stuff is a bit of a red herring

But they state that the Flash movie is literally setting that up, no doubt borrowing heavily from Flashpoint, because Geoff Johns has his sticky fingers all over the DC movies now.

 

It’s yet another case of Warners running before they can walk. Marvel Studios *earned* everything they’ve done – they laid the groundwork for Avengers, then Infinity War, and just plain released a ton of strong movies. And it’s obvious they have a clear long-term plan, whereas Warners’ brain-trust appears to be a monkey in a room flinging shit at the walls.

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Steve Sensible wrote:

But they state that the Flash movie is literally setting that up

Oh I don’t mean a red herring as to whether they’re doing it or not. Clearly they are. I mean a red herring as to whether it makes any difference to the quality and success of the movies or not.

Steve Sensible wrote:

But they state that the Flash movie is literally setting that up, no doubt borrowing heavily from Flashpoint, because Geoff Johns has his sticky fingers all over the DC movies now.

Honestly in spite of that the whole multiverse thing sounds more like an excuse for the different versions of the characters – So we’ve got this new Batman and there’s a different Joker there but maybe we’ll still use the other one and so on. Doesn’t matter if it’s all over the place because hey: MULTIVERSE!!!!

Which I’m fine with honestly. I doubt they’ll do any multiverse-crossover movies apart from Flash, but rather come out with different movies for the characters and little connective tissue between them. And that’s quite alright, because they didn’t manage to properly connect the dots anyway. The main thing is they’re planning on releasing a lot of DC superhero movies and, okay, hopefully the more they release the higher the chances they’ll make a good one for once…

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Dave wrote:

Big plans revealed for DC movies – they’re looking at 6 films a year, four theatrical and two straight to HBO Max.

At the height of their output, Marvel released 3 films in 2018 and 3 in 2019; and that was after almost a decade of gradually building their roster. DC/Warner/AT&T does not appear to have a clear concept of what they are doing nor how to do it in a profitable fashion. Not quite sure who’s running the show there, but whoever it is should be looking at other film franchises to see what works and what doesn’t.

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Todd

Quantity =/= Quality

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Steve Sensible wrote:

whereas Warners’ brain-trust appears to be a monkey in a room flinging shit at the walls.

Oh, they wish they were operating at that high of a level.

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Christian wrote:

the whole multiverse thing sounds more like an excuse for the different versions of the characters – So we’ve got this new Batman and there’s a different Joker there but maybe we’ll still use the other one and so on. Doesn’t matter if it’s all over the place because hey: MULTIVERSE!!!!

That’s exactly what it is… and it’s kind of genius, to be honest… that way they can do whatever and like you said: MULTIVERSE!!! and people will be fine with it.

A week ago I would’ve said “eh, it’s not like the MCU movies are that awesome anyways” but then I saw WW84… =P

At any rate, they can announce however many plans they want, none of it matters until they’re filming… remember that huge slate they announced a few years back? yeah no one does either… xD

Shit at this point I’m not even holding my breath for that famed Falsh movie they’re supposedly still planning on doing.

Jon wrote:

A week ago I would’ve said “eh, it’s not like the MCU movies are that awesome anyways” but then I saw WW84… =P

I keep saying, Marvel managed a minor miracle by making so many movies and even the worst of them are still watchable and kind of entertaining. That’s not a small feat.

Personally, what I’m hoping is that Gunn’s Suicide Squad movie is so awesome and incredibly successful that it provides the template for the rest of the DCU. Out with the dreariness and Snyder’s ponderous slow-mo action, in with awesome fun and fast-paced hilarity.

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Meh… I have zero faith and almost no interest in Gunn’s SQ (just morbid curiosity, tbh)… I mean, we already know what it’s gonna be like.

And well, no need to say that I’d rather have the ponderous slo-mo stuff… I’ll take that any day over another jokes-fueled movie, but to each their own.

Also, if WW84, Aquaman, Shazam and Birds of Prey are an indication of this “non-dreary” DC you’re talking about, maybe WB would do best to stick to the dreary stuff… =/

Jon wrote:

I mean, we already know what it’s gonna be like.

Yeah we do! It’s going to be FUCKING FUN!!!!!

Jon wrote:

Also, if WW84, Aquaman, Shazam and Birds of Prey are an indication of this “non-dreary” DC you’re talking about, maybe WB would do best to stick to the dreary stuff… =/

Fair point, I have to admit. Which is why I’m hoping The Suicide Squad will provide a different template.

Also, we’re definitely getting dreary with the new Batman movie, which I’m actually very much looking forward to.

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I personally don’t find myself that bothered with the ‘tone’ argument.

I think you can do fun or serious and both can be great or also awful.

garjones wrote:

I think you can do fun or serious

Or both.

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Hey, if we’re getting into multiverse territory then they can bring Chris Pine back for every Wonder Woman movie they want.

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saga wrote:

Hey, if we’re getting into multiverse territory then they can bring Chris Pine back for every Wonder Woman movie they want.

We can also relegate the Rapist Wonder Woman movie to its own continuity and ignore it completely.

I once talked to a writer who had pitched a Detective Chimp movie. His take was that the intelligence came and went. So as a normal chimp he'd tear a person apart, then when he got smart again he'd be like "my god, there's been a murder here!" and he'd start investigating.

— David F. Sandberg (@ponysmasher) December 29, 2020

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JRCarter wrote:

Wow that looks like proper ass. As in Pass.

What a master stroke, such genius, this will work 100%.

And to that I say…

If I hadn’t been inclined to do so before, that would’ve been all the persuasion I needed.

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What’s wrong with fans spreading that message? I thought people in here were generally anti-piracy…

As we all know, I am 100% representative of what people here are generally like.

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I for one will not be pirating the Snyder Cut. That does not have anything to do with taking a moral stance, however, but more because you’d actually have to pay me to sit through that dreck.

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I’m going to be pirating the Snyder cut by editing in sections of Tales Of The Black Freighter.

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Dave wrote:

I’m going to be pirating the Snyder cut by editing in sections of Tales Of The Black Freighter.

That source material is too good. May I suggest Cutthroat Island instead?

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Anonymous wrote:

Dave wrote:

I’m going to be pirating the Snyder cut by editing in sections of Tales Of The Black Freighter.

That source material is too good. May I suggest Cutthroat Island instead?

How about Treasure Island Dizzy?

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Anonymous wrote:

As we all know, I am 100% representative of what people here are generally like.

You still didn’t say what was wrong with that… That’s an actual question, I really don’t get why that upset you… =/

Steve Sensible wrote:

I for one will not be pirating the Snyder Cut. That does not have anything to do with taking a moral stance, however, but more because you’d actually have to pay me to sit through that dreck.

Oh shut up already.

Jon wrote:

I really don’t get why that upset you…

I’m not upset. Well, I am now that you’ve read shit into what I said that wasn’t there. Thank you, fuck face.

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Jon wrote:

Oh shut up already.

You shut up, fuck face.

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Jon wrote:

Wow that looks like proper ass. As in Pass.

Yeah, that was a terrible trailer. Terrible to the extent of “Who the hell would approve something like this?!” terrible.

But hey, that’s whatshername from Grimm! Good for her.

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Christian wrote:

Jon wrote:

Wow that looks like proper ass. As in Pass.

Yeah, that was a terrible trailer. Terrible to the extent of “Who the hell would approve something like this?!” terrible.

But hey, that’s whatshername from Grimm! Good for her.

No need to listen to fuck-face, Christian.

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Jon wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

As we all know, I am 100% representative of what people here are generally like.

You still didn’t say what was wrong with that… That’s an actual question, I really don’t get why that upset you… =/

Steve Sensible wrote:

I for one will not be pirating the Snyder Cut. That does not have anything to do with taking a moral stance, however, but more because you’d actually have to pay me to sit through that dreck.

Oh shut up already.

Oh, look. Let’s see what another unnamed user have to say about interactions like this. Concerning my becoming upset by being called upset by Fuck-face over here.

This is why I just don’t reply to him. I don’t even think he’s trolling, he’s just always on the defensive. One of his go-tos is to accuse someone of being upset or angry at the slightest disagreement.

I feel slightly vindicated now, and I promise not to call him fuck-face ever again. Also please, the ignore function… Give it back!

I do get upset easily, especially by being called things I am not. Triggered? Sure thing, but a better word would be hypersensitive.

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Gentlemen, I know the advent of the Snyder Cut is an exciting time for everyone, but let’s not lower ourselves by resorting to the kind of language that Batman would use.

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Anonymous wrote:

You shut up, fuck face.

Well… that escalated quickly… xD

I think I missed something…

Anyways, sorry I thought something had pissed you off? I dunno, maybe it was a joke… in my defense, I literally asked you to explain it to me, so that’s really not on me, is it?

Anonymous wrote:

This is why I just don’t reply to him. I don’t even think he’s trolling, he’s just always on the defensive. One of his go-tos is to accuse someone of being upset or angry at the slightest disagreement.

Yup, I missed something… oh well…

Also, on a more serious note: Steve Sensible’s been antagonizing me for a while now, so yeah, I think I’m entitled to a little “shut up already”, because let’s be honest, we all know he’s gonna watch it anyways, even if it is just so he can come here and keep on antagonzing me. You ain’t foolin’ me.

I don’t get where the whole fuck face thing comes from… I’d ask Anders if I upset him, but apparently that’s my “go-to” and that also upsets him? I dunno… honestly I’m just confused at this point

Ah, shut up already.

edited to add: Also, stop being upset.

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lorcan_nagle

Maybe it’s best if we draw a line under all of this personal stuff and get back to discussing DC movies and TV.

I know we joke around with the Snyder Cut stuff but I don’t think there’s any need to get into personal insults over it.

(We’ll all be insulted enough by it coming out in the first place etc.)

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Agreed, agreed, agreed.

I’ll get us back on. So, the snyder cut is obviously going to be shit. I can’t believe people who are already defending it, they’re in for a massive Cyberpunk 2077 awakening when it comes out.

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Jon wrote:

Also, on a more serious note: Steve Sensible’s been antagonizing me for a while now, so yeah, I think I’m entitled to a little “shut up already”, because let’s be honest, we all know he’s gonna watch it anyways, even if it is just so he can come here and keep on antagonzing me. You ain’t foolin’ me.

Hey, I didn’t take offence!

I can assure you I will definitely not be watching it. I have very little interest in DC stuff (comics or movies) because it’s so bad with or without the Znyder touch. I still haven’t gotten round to watching Wonder Woman 84 because it’s 2 1/2 frickin’ hours long, and that’s an awful long time to waste hate-watching something. I certainly won’t be wasting 600 hours of my life on the Snyder Cut!

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Steve Sensible wrote:

Hey, I didn’t take offence!

Good, wasn’t meant to be an offense, just a mild jab.

Steve Sensible wrote:

I can assure you I will definitely not be watching it. I have very little interest in DC stuff (comics or movies) because it’s so bad with or without the Znyder touch. I still haven’t gotten round to watching Wonder Woman 84 because it’s 2 1/2 frickin’ hours long, and that’s an awful long time to waste hate-watching something. I certainly won’t be wasting 600 hours of my life on the Snyder Cut!

Ha! Come onnnn!!! Aren’t you at the very least a little bit morbidly curious??? =P

I feel at this point the Snyder Cut has become such an unholy beast that people will watch it just to know what the whole fuss is about… Oh and I’ll say it again, whatever it turns up being, shit or great: THERE NEEDS TO BE A DOCUMENTARY!!!! The whole story is for sure more interesting than the movie could ever be. HBOmax is dropping the ball if they’re not already on it.

Also, yeah fair point, that shit’ll be super long… specially if we still don’t know whether it’s gonna be a mini-series or a movie or what the fuck is up with it… a 4hrs long movie is indeed daunting… even for me.

Jon wrote:

Ha! Come onnnn!!! Aren’t you at the very least a little bit morbidly curious??? =P I feel at this point the Snyder Cut has become such an unholy beast that people will watch it just to know what the whole fuss is about

I haven’t watched BvS or Justice League. I was disappointed enough with MoS that I didn’t want to watch anything else by the same creative team. So I think I might just about find the strength to resist watching the Snyder Cut too.

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I think that for people who like Snyder, getting a more Snyder-y version of Justice League will be very welcome and will probably result in a version they like better.

I think that for people who don’t like Snyder, getting a more Snyder-y version of Justice League will probably be something they don’t care for and will probaby result in a version they like less.

Hopefully this summarises the argument in a nutshell.

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Yeah sure, but I mean more in the general “cultural phenomenon” sense… I mean, like it or not, it’s become a “thing”, whatever you wanna call it. Plus due to 2020’s circumstances, I think the Snyder cut pretty much dominated the conversation… sure lack of options and whatnot, but still.

I know people in here like David will just skip it, and fair enough, but I’m sure A TON of people will check it out, even if they hate Snyder… or precisely because they do in some cases. It’s a high profile, super polarizing project. I think it’d be normal if people checked it out just for curiosity’s sake.

Dave wrote:

Hopefully this summarises the argument in a nutshell.

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Jon wrote:

Yeah sure, but I mean more in the general “cultural phenomenon” sense… I mean, like it or not, it’s become a “thing”, whatever you wanna call it. Plus due to 2020’s circumstances, I think the Snyder cut pretty much dominated the conversation… sure lack of options and whatnot, but still.

I know people in here like David will just skip it, and fair enough, but I’m sure A TON of people will check it out, even if they hate Snyder… or precisely because they do in some cases. It’s a high profile, super polarizing project. I think it’d be normal if people checked it out just for curiosity’s sake.

Ah, shut up already.

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Steve Sensible wrote:

Dave wrote:

Hopefully this summarises the argument in a nutshell.

I’m saving that. Love it.

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Jon wrote:

Yeah sure, but I mean more in the general “cultural phenomenon” sense… I mean, like it or not, it’s become a “thing”, whatever you wanna call it. Plus due to 2020’s circumstances, I think the Snyder cut pretty much dominated the conversation… sure lack of options and whatnot, but still.

I honestly think you overestimate the number of people who care one way or the other. I mean, I hardly care that there’s a Snyder cut of Justice League, and I am a comics and film nerd who is plugged into this stuff via this board. If you’re neither invested in comics nor in Snyder movies, a re-release of a mediocre superhero movie by a director who has made three mediocre superhero movies* this will barely raise an eyebrow.

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*I actually rate Watchmen higher than that, so that’s why three.

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Dave wrote:

I think that for people who like Snyder, getting a more Snyder-y version of Justice League will be very welcome and will probably result in a version they like better.

I think that for people who don’t like Snyder, getting a more Snyder-y version of Justice League will probably be something they don’t care for and will probaby result in a version they like less.

Hopefully this summarises the argument in a nutshell.

That’s pretty much it for me. What I saw of the theatrical cut didn’t appeal to me and I have to see anything by Snyder that I liked. I’m passing on this.

Besides, it has Rapist Wonder Woman in it. I can’t look at the character now and not think that.

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lorcan_nagle

I haven’t seen Wonder Woman 1984 yet so can’t comment on that. I’m guessing it’s difficult to discuss without getting into spoiler territory.

So hopefully I can derail this hostile negativity by discussing Doom Patrol. Because I have a month of HBOMax I figured I could see what else I could watch. I had seen the pilot and A few eps earlier so I started with an ep about a trip to South America to find a donkey. enh. So I jumped to an episode about Danny and loved it. They did a great job with Danny imo. Then I watched the Jane ep and loved that too. The Train and the other personalities were very well done. I was impressed when Black Annis stopped attacking Cliff once he reverted to his robot form. I will continue to watch the eps after Jane’s. If anyone thinks I missed something before Danny let me know but I will warn you I don’t like awkward cringe type humor like they had in the donkey episode.

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YEAH YOU DID!!!!

The first season was very strong in every respect, they did a lot of character development and it was very funny, too. I don’t remember the donkey episode well enough to compare it to others, but really I never felt that Doom Patrol went into cringe humour territory. Of course, I don’t remember the donkey episode as cringe humour, so mileage may vary, but then again maybe the episode makes more sense if you come into it in the context of the season. This is not a show where it makes a lot of sense to watch single episodes.

Christian wrote:

I honestly think you overestimate the number of people who care one way or the other.

Correct.

The HBO Snyder Cut gamble is essentially a gamble that will piss $80m up the wall. It’s a follow up to a movie that didn’t do very well because it wasn’t very good. Which was itself a follow to movie that had a rather tepid response. The idea that the world is hanging on this is a conclusion you can only arrive it if it’s very important to you. It’ll make Warners about $300 for the $80m laid down. Don’t ever listen to social media.

There’s a very small, very hardcore Snyder base calling for this online, HBO Max is only available in one country so most of them will pirate it. It’s become a very weird culture wars type thing.

I admire much of what Snyder does visually, I think he’s a poor storyteller. We like to wind up Jon for fun but in truth my overriding emotion to all of this is I don’t really care, I won’t watch a remake of a mediocre film by the guy that made the previous mediocre film.

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HERESY!!!

oMg Ok nO nEeD tO bE uPsEt aBoUt iT, I kNoW yOu WiLl sEe iT aNyWaY!

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garjones wrote:

Don’t ever listen to social media.

We call that the Snakes on a Plane Factor

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The main reason I am looking forward to the release of the Snyder Cut is that it will bring an end to people calling for the release of the Snyder Cut.

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You know what would be really funny? If the decision to make it was recalled and it was never released.

Dave wrote:

The main reason I am looking forward to the release of the Snyder Cut is that it will bring an end to people calling for the release of the Snyder Cut.

Nah, when it sucks they’ll move on to insisting on a release of the true Snyder Cut, because shooting 70 million worth of new scenes destroyed the artistic vision or some shit.

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One thing is true: The extended cut of BvS does help the plot, it doesn’t fix the film, it can’t do that, there is some stuff in there that is terminal and you wonder what the hell the writers were thinking, if at all – Exhibit A “Martha”, what the hell was that? Years later it still defies analysis.

The extended cut does a better job of showing why Lex’s plot is as successful as it is, but there’s still a lot of flaws here.  But is it better than the cinema cut? Yes and Batfleck is kind of fun.

Best thing in the film? Irons as Alfred, gets all the best lines and delivers with extra acid every time.

I also really like the sheer insanity of that final Zod-Doomsday fight.

Due to that, yeah I’m curious about the Snyder cut, if they’re smart enough to not do the now standard “no physical edition, streaming only” move.

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lorcan_nagle wrote:

Dave wrote:

The main reason I am looking forward to the release of the Snyder Cut is that it will bring an end to people calling for the release of the Snyder Cut.

Nah, when it sucks they’ll move on to insisting on a release of the true Snyder Cut, because shooting 70 million worth of new scenes destroyed the artistic vision or some shit.

At what point do they merge with the QAnon lot?

Ben wrote:

One thing is true: The extended cut of BvS does help the plot, it doesn’t fix the film, it can’t do that, there is some stuff in there that is terminal and you wonder what the hell the writers were thinking, if at all

I agree with this. I watched the extended cut with a friend after seeing the regular version in the cinema and while I did scream a lot I did find it somehow a bit better.

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It is akin to how being punched in the face is preferable to being kicked in the balls. Sure, of the two options it might be better, but…

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Walter Hamada is the most dangerous kind of enabler.

His lies, and WB PR’s failed Sept 4th hit-piece, sought to undermine the very real issues of the Justice League investigation.

I will not participate in any production associated with him.

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— Ray Fisher (@ray8fisher) December 30, 2020

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Todd

Anonymous wrote:

At what point do they merge with the QAnon lot?

What a dumbass comment.

Yeah yeah shut up you fuck face, I know… zzzzzzzzz…

garjones wrote:

HBO Max is only available in one country so most of them will pirate it. It’s become a very weird culture wars type thing.

That’s why I thought the campaign to not pirate it was a good idea… I mean, I know it’s probably not gonna work, but a good idea to try nonetheless. Can’t hurt, is what I mean. Except Anders… apparently it hurt Anders badly. Broke him even.

Oh, btw, for what it’s worth, and I’m not sure what this Roku thing is or means, but it seems that it WILL be available outside of HBOmax:

I don’t know if that means it’ll be available everywhere though, or how it’s gonna work yet, but seems they’re at least doing the effort to put it out outside of HBOmax.

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They did a great job with Danny imo. Then I watched the Jane ep and loved that too. The Train and the other personalities were very well done. I was impressed when Black Annis stopped attacking Cliff once he reverted to his robot form. I will continue to watch the eps after Jane’s. If anyone thinks I missed something before Danny let me know but I will warn you I don’t like awkward cringe type humor like they had in the donkey episode.

Umm I don’t remember everything to perfection, but I’d recommend not skipping any of it, even if some of the earlier episodes seem a bit weak… I think it’s well worth it overall. IIRC the donky thing had to do with the villain right? so it should connect to the finale of S1… I think…

But like Christian said, there’s a lot of great character development throughout both seasons, so I dunno if you’ll miss something absolutely vital or not, but those character bit is what makes the show as good as it is…

Season 2 is stronger overall though.

https://news.avclub.com/ray-cyborg-fisher-now-refusing-to-be-in-any-movies-ma-1845970504

Look, you didn’t think you were getting out of 2020 without one more uber-dramatic update from the year’s most persistently unkillable entertainment feud, did you? It’s just not to be, folks, as actor Ray Fisher, who played Cyborg in 2017’s “Did you think we’d still be thinking about this movie 3 years later, Christ?” opus, Justice League, has now made a statement that seems to come very close to breaking ties with the DC Universe of films entirely. Specifically, Fisher—who’s been embroiled with Warner Bros. in a fight over the film ever since he came forward with allegations of “abusive” behavior by director Joss Whedon on the film’s set earlier this year, along with allegations of similar vague misbehavior from producers Jon Berg and Geoff Johns—stated on Twitter today that he “will not participate” in any future projects associated with Walter Hamada. Which would be all well and good, except Walter Hamada is the current president of DC Films, i.e., the sub-studio that handles all of Warner Bros.’ superhero movies, so… Yeah.

Fisher has been beefing specifically with Hamada since September, when he asserted that the executive—who was put in charge of DC Films after Justice League received a $658 million shrug at the box office—was throwing Whedon and Berg “under the bus” in order to protect Johns, the long-time DC Comics writer who’s still reportedly heavily involved with the studio’s movie-making plans. Said plans did seem to involve attempts to bring Fisher back into the fold, reportedly with a return performance in the long-gestating Flash movie, and no stated objections to his part being expanded for Zack Snyder’s Justice League, but, well, see above.

The only thing Fisher has done since Justice League is a supporting role on True Detective S3, so it’ll be interesting to see if he’s able to get much work going forward.

I think he’s given up on his acting career, tbh… I mean, I’m sure he’s not dumb enough to not realize that this “feud” or whatever you wanna call it will end up in him being black-listed or at the very least make him a hard hire. Although I suppose it’ll all depend on how strong are his claims… I just hope he’s not making such a big fuss over something dumb.