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Im just saying…@antonystarr as reverse flash…this next level casting would change the game!! That is all. #antonystarr #reverseflash #DC #TheFlashmovie #fanart #alwaysapex pic.twitter.com/pUBiPnZHjF
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Declaring “Enough is enough,” former Batwoman star Ruby Rose has come forth with a new wave of allegations about the circumstances leading to her exit from the Warner Bros. TV series — while also insisting she didn’t “quit” but was forced out.
In a series of Instagram Stories posted early Wednesday morning, Rose led off by tagging Batwoman showrunner Caroline Dries plus exec producers Greg Berlanti and Sarah Schechter, saying, “I will come for you so what happened to me never happens to another person again. And so I can finally take back my life and the truth. Shame on you.”
Rose then named former WBTV chairman Peter Roth in her Stories, accusing him of hiring a private investigator to follow her — presumably to independently assess the extent of the injuries she allegedly sustained on-set — and then recalling the PI when the exec’s preferred narrative was not supported. (Rose had undergone surgery to fix two herniated discs that she has said “were close to severing my spinal cord.”) Rose also claimed that Roth guilted her into returning to work following said surgery after just 10 days — instead of, she suggests, taking “half a day to rewrite me out for a few weeks to heal” — or else “the whole crew and cast would be fired” because the show would shut down for good.
Warner Bros. TV did not immediately respond to TVLine’s request for comment on Rose’s more specific allegations. All told, the Aussie actress’ newest claims included:
♦ After asking fans to “stop asking if I will return to that awful show, I wouldn’t return for any amount of money nor if a gun were to my head,” Rose maintained that it was not her decision to part ways with the series. “I DO NOT QUIT,” she wrote. “I followed orders, and if I wanted to stay I was going to have to sign my rights away. Any threats, any bullying tactics or blackmail will not make me stand down.” (TVLine has reached out to Rose’s reps for clarification on what “rights” allegedly would have been signed away. Back in May 2020, a source told TVLine that the exit “wasn’t 100-percent her decision. It was a breakup. She wasn’t happy … so everyone decided it would be in the best interests of the show, and for all concerned, if they parted ways.”)
♦ It was allegedly left to Rose to personally announce the fact that she would be missing the 2019 San Diego Comic-Con (because, she claimed, “they would not adjust the schedule so I could attend”). Otherwise, she says she was told, fans instead would show up and find her not there. In said video (screenshot at right), Rose was asked to, but did not, cover up the neck scar from her recent surgery.
♦ Rose alluded to numerous instances that would seem point to unsafe filming practices during Batwoman Season 1. In addition to the well-documented March 2020 incident in which 30-year-old production assistant Amanda Smith was left paralyzed after the bucket of a lift was accidentally lowered onto her head, Rose claimed that one crew member got “third-degree burns over his whole body,” two stunt doubles were lost to hospitalization, and she herself was “cut in the face so close to my eye in a stunt I could have been blin[ded].”
♦ Rose alleged that during one of Dries’ visits to Batwoman‘s Vancouver set, the showrunner privately agreed that her star sustained her injuries on set “yet later denied it entirely and said it happened during yoga…. I don’t do yoga.”
♦ Though she was not legally able to drive herself to set following her mobility-limiting surgery, Rose alleged that production refused to send a driver for her but instead said “get a taxi.”
♦ After admitting that she “fought people on set, yes… because I wanted safety” yet “never raised my voice on a set,” Rose alleged that co-star Dougray Scott (who played her father, Jacob Kane) “hurt a female stunt double” and “yelled like a little bitch at women and was a nightmare.” (Scott’s London-based publicist did not immediately respond to TVLine’s Wednesday-morning request for comment.)
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Dougray Scott Refutes Batwoman Costar Ruby Rose’s ‘Damaging Claims’ About His On-Set Behavior
Batwoman alum Dougray Scott “absolutely” refutes allegations made by his onetime TV daughter, Ruby Rose, about his on-set behavior.
Amid a sea of Wednesday-morning Instagram Stories, Rose admitted that she “fought people on set, yes, not because I wanted to but because I wanted safety” — yet “never raised my voice on a set” during her one-season run. Conversely, Kate Kane’s former portrayer alleged that Scott (who played Jacob Kane through Season 2) “hurt a female stunt double” and “yelled like a little bitch at women and was a nightmare. He left when he wanted and arrived when he wanted [and verbally] abused women.”
In a statement obtained by TVLine, Scott said, “I absolutely and completely refute the defamatory and damaging claims made against me by [Ruby Rose]; they are entirely made up and never happened.”
“As Warner Bros. Television has stated, they decided not to exercise the option to engage Ruby for Season 2… based on multiple complaints about her workplace behaviour,” the Scottish actor also said.
Rose’s series of Instagram Stories (detailed here) opened by calling out Batwoman showrunner Caroline Dries, executive producers Greg Berlanti and Sarah Schechter, and former WBTV chairman Peter Roth by name. She alleged that Roth had guilted her into returning to work following major surgery after just 10 days (Rose had undergone surgery to fix two herniated discs that she has said “were close to severing my spinal cord”); alluded to numerous instances that would seem point to unsafe filming practices during Batwoman Season 1; and claimed that Dries privately agreed that the superhero series’ original star had sustained her aforementioned injuries on set “yet later denied it entirely and said it happened during yoga.”
“Despite the revisionist history that Ruby Rose is now sharing online aimed at the producers, the cast and crew, the network, and the Studio,” the statement from WBTV read, “the truth is that Warner Bros. Television had decided not to exercise its option to engage Ruby for Season 2 of Batwoman based on multiple complaints about workplace behavior that were extensively reviewed and handled privately out of respect for all concerned.”
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Batfam ya know I couldn’t go the whole day without saying something! I love y’all, don’t think I haven’t seen all the love today. But yea fam, she was fired. And it is VERY hard to be fired when you’re the lead. Imagine what u have to do for that 2 happenhttps://t.co/XwdvjpP9wv
— Camrus Johnson (@CamrusJ) October 21, 2021
Love y’all, and West Coast fam enjoy the new episode of Batwoman starring @JaviciaLeslie in t-minus 4 minutes baby
💙🦇🖤— Camrus Johnson (@CamrusJ) October 21, 2021
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All this behind the scenes he said/she said is probably more interesting than the show itself will ever be. I do suspect that the truth lies somewhere between Rose’s horror stories and the “everything’s fine, she just sucks” coming from others still attached to the show. Could she was kind of a pain to work with in part because the working conditions made her miserable. But who knows, I’m sure there’s also tons of sour grapes on all sides.
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All this behind the scenes he said/she said is probably more interesting than the show itself will ever be. I do suspect that the truth lies somewhere between Rose’s horror stories and the “everything’s fine, she just sucks” coming from others still attached to the show. Could she was kind of a pain to work with in part because the working conditions made her miserable. But who knows, I’m sure there’s also tons of sour grapes on all sides.
I have to say that it would be tough if a person never even had a regular part on a show and was suddenly a high profile lead on a series requiring stunts, costumes and special effects. It’s a lot more demanding and a lot more pressure than a supporting role in a movie for sure.
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From Greg Weisman, executive producer of Young Justice:
https://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=1236
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I have no idea what Young Justice: Phantoms even is. A cartoon, I guess?
It is.
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Dougray Scott Refutes Batwoman Costar Ruby Rose’s ‘Damaging Claims’ About His On-Set Behavior
Hah! Literally the “he said, she said” trope in reverse.
Looks like the real drama in the series wasn’t in front of the cameras.
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I have no idea what Young Justice: Phantoms even is. A cartoon, I guess?
Yes, and a very good one. Give it a shot.
They’ve been giving the seasons of Young Justice titles (S2: Invasion, S3: Outsiders, S4: Phantoms).They teased the Legion at the end of season 3;
As the heroes enjoy a day off in Metropolis, none of them notice that the unseen person serving them their coffee is wearing a ring belonging to the future Legion of Super-Heroes. The finale of Young Justice: Outsiders ends with the return of Lobo – looks like he may be playing a part in season four, along with the Legion.Fingers crossed it does well and we get a season 5.
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‘YOUNG JUSTICE’ IS STILL ONE OF THE BEST SUPERHERO SHOWS EVER BECAUSE IT’S ALWAYS CHANGING
https://www.syfy.com/syfy-wire/young-justice-season-4-team-always-changing-best-superhero-show?amp
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The Suicide Squad
The short version:
Fed up with Marvel? Want something, anything as competition? Here it is.
A take-no-prisoners, foul-mouthed, gore overloaded film with a genius soundtrack, a good plot brilliantly executed and it all adds up to a damn good time.
OK, that was still short.
Legends of Tomorrow: Series 3
Somehow, on this series, they worked it out that a DC show need not always be deadly serious with lots of moping aroud. There’s some heavy stuff in this series sure, but the handling of it all is far lighter than in its fellows, especially compared to Arrow.
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None. The closest is the Deadpool duo and Logan but those aren’t MCU.
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That’s not really the point though… I’m not sure that’s what I’d call “competition” but ok…
Also, if all you get from an unleashed Gunn is basically GotG2 but with more “gore” and curses, then that’s kinda sad, tbh.
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‘YOUNG JUSTICE’ IS STILL ONE OF THE BEST SUPERHERO SHOWS EVER BECAUSE IT’S ALWAYS CHANGING
I was ready to give up on Young Justice, the stuff on Mars was so, so dull. Luckily when it went bank to Earth it became it’s old, brilliant self, instantly.
I love that even the bad guys row and change, Ra’s al Ghul is great and I love how much of the show has been given to Artemis and Cheshire. This is the best Capes show ever at this point.
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That’s not really the point though… I’m not sure that’s what I’d call “competition” but ok…
Also, if all you get from an unleashed Gunn is basically GotG2 but with more “gore” and curses, then that’s kinda sad, tbh.
Ok, you didn’t like the film, I did.
But in terms of competition, there’s no rule requiring distinctive difference – see video games and the various genres. The games within will have similarity but be competing for players. Ditto comics. If DC could have copyrighted Superman conceptually, they would have done it by now.
In films there does seem to be rather finite amount of perception territory to be grabbed, with no one else allowed in. Marvel have staked out their turf, DC have to do something just enough different but not too much.
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But in terms of competition, there’s no rule requiring distinctive difference – see video games and the various genres. The games within will have similarity but be competing for players. Ditto comics. If DC could have copyrighted Superman conceptually, they would have done it by now. In films there does seem to be rather finite amount of perception territory to be grabbed, with no one else allowed in. Marvel have staked out their turf, DC have to do something just enough different but not too much.
Well that’s kind of my issue with the whole “competition” comment, because IMO, the DCCU was already the competition by default, offering something different and distinctive enough while clearly being within the same genre (super hero movies), whereas again, IMO the Gunn SQ really feels almost like part of the MCU, and no wonder since they did get one of the main architects of the MCU formula… and precisely for that very reason I might add.
I mean, that’s what I find a bit confusing, but hey, maybe I’m just being too anal with that word…
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Entirely possible that Groot let a few expletives out in his teenage years.
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I recall him referring to her as a “bint”, which is a derogatory term meaning bitch or whore, not cunt (at least according to various sources including Urban Dictionary). Unless you’re referring to another time he insulted her.
I think “mewling quim” is the one.
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I think “mewling quim” is the one.
Ah, that’s right. Thanks for clarifying. But are you sure he said “mewling quim”? I thought he had just mistaken her for the Canadian fiddler Merlin Quinn.
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The Justice League animated series celebrated its twentieth anniversary on the 17th.
November 17, 2001
DC's iconic heroes teamed up for a new animated TV show, expanding and continuing the legacy of the DC Animated Universe.
Happy 20th Anniversary to the Justice League animated series! pic.twitter.com/gf8xbfrjoq
— DC Animated (@DC_Animated) November 17, 2021
Look at us. Babies! What a wonderful project to be a part of. 💕 Happy 20th Anniversary! https://t.co/FvjkE2e206
— Maria Canals-Barrera (@Maria_CB) November 16, 2021
Happy 20th Anniversary, #JusticeLeague!
💛❤️💙🧡💚🖤#Batman #Superman #Hawkgirl #GreenLantern #WonderWoman #MartianManhunter #TheFlash pic.twitter.com/79abAPhO0q
— Susan Eisenberg (@susaneisenberg1) November 16, 2021
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I really think they should focus on making good movies and TV series. Each endeavor should stand on its own and be fun and entertaining. Don’t sweat if projects connect or not. If they do, that’s just gravy.
While I am still enjoying Marvel, they have become slaves to their own continuity with all the positives and negatives that come with it. There are times I would like a truly standalone project, not something that is “passing the baton” from one project to another.
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A brand spanking new episode of #YoungJusticePhantoms, as well as the beginning of a new story arc, is heading to #HBOMAX this Thursday! It features #Zatanna and one of my personal favorites, #Klarion! #KlariontheWitchBoy pic.twitter.com/VEapSeCgpL
— I’m Aaron Sparrow, and SO CAN YOU! 🇺🇸 (@Aaron_Sparrow) November 30, 2021
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Given all the success of the MCU movies and their Disney+ shows, what should DC do? What should they stick with?
Well… Snyder’s been back at it again recently teasing “Final Crisis”… so if they decide to get back on track with the Snyderverse, I’m completely okay with it… I mostly want another Cavill Supes movie and a Batfleck movie, tbh.
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Rumor – Crisis on Infinite Earths animated 3 movies in development
“All of DC’s animated universes involved”
Sounds nice, so why not?
Wondering why thougy, as you probably still want to end up with a multiverse.
Unless you want Fleischer’s Superman in the Diniverse…
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They should give Kevin Feige the rights to their intellectual properties and beg him to do something with them.
Maybe Snyder could have been their answer to Feige. This pic has been around and it implies what might have been:
Not bad, but it is an overlap.
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They should give Kevin Feige the rights to their intellectual properties and beg him to do something with them.
Maybe Snyder could have been their answer to Feige. This pic has been around and it implies what might have been:
Not bad, but it is an overlap.
I think that’s a bit of a facile comparison. It also ignores that Snyder has been allowed to do similar things to popular MCU movies but didn’t get the same results.
BvS and Civil War were both “hero v hero” stories where the lead heroes went up against each other; Justice League and Avengers were both big super-team-up adventures involving Earth’s heroes fighting big alien threats; and Man of Steel was a solo origin story like many in the MCU.
But none of the Snyder movies ended up feeling anything like their MCU counterparts because he’s a very different filmmaker and chose to execute those basic ideas in very different ways.
The idea that he could have pre-empted these Marvel successes if only he had been allowed to is a nonsense to me. He simply wasn’t making the same kind of movies, regardless of the odd superficial plot similarity.
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‘Batman: The Animated Series’ Audio Drama in the Works with Original Voice Cast
https://collider.com/batman-the-animated-series-audio-drama-original-cast/
Batman: The Unanimated Series
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I don’t see how BTAS would fit with Harley Quinn. HQ is just way too colorful for BTAS.
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It is all speculation now.
But it’s not – like I said, he did actually make three DC superhero movies that were conceptually similar to MCU movies in lots of ways, but still ended up a world apart because of the execution.
The argument that Snyder could have had MCU-level success with his DC movies if only the studio let him is demonstrably false. He made three movies and didn’t come anywhere close.
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Snyder seemed most interested in how the DC heroes become the characters people know. Thus they start out in unexpected places. But over the course of the three films, with some very major, meta shortcuts, you can see them on that trajectory of becoming more heroic. Audiences, however, didn’t gel with the idea.
Part of the problem I think is that DC was seen as doing too much, too fast – the trick to learning from your opposition is to not look like you are blatantly lifting ideas entirely.
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Definitely. There was a sense of them rushing to catch up, and fast-forwarding through the groundwork and buildup you really need if you want to have a successful mega-franchise.
I’m not completely down on Snyder – the first half of Man Of Steel I think is decent, and part of me wishes we had seen the Superman continuation that he had originally planned, rather than throwing him straight into the wider DCU.
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DC have been doing that – Aquaman, Shazam, Harley & Birds of Prey, The Suicide Squad – and it seems to be working for them.
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The argument that Snyder could have had MCU-level success with his DC movies if only the studio let him is demonstrably false. He made three movies and didn’t come anywhere close.
That wasn’t Al’s argument though, nor the meme’s point.
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That wasn’t Al’s argument though, nor the meme’s point.
The meme claims that Snyder’s films would have provided a bigger black character arc before Black Panther; but what about the appearance of War Machine (Iron Man 2, 2010) or Falcon (Winter Soldier, 2014), who both appeared prior to Batman Vs Superman and Justice League and had character arcs in subsequent films including Civil War.
The meme claims Snyder would have provided the introduction of an Asian superhero before Shang Chi; but what about Wong (Dr. Strange, 2016) or Melinda May (Agents of SHIELD, 2012), who are at least as super-heroic as the guy in the meme.
As for the Motherboxes vs Infinity Stones argument, the power stones go back at least as far as the Space Stone (aka Tesseract) first Thor and Captain America films (2011), and Thanos makes his first appearance in Avengers (2012). Other stones that predate Justice League (2017) include the Reality Stone (aka Aether) in Thor Dark World (2013) and the Time Stone in Dr. Strange (2016).
So…what was the meme’s point?
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First of all, 1) the whole “virtue signaling” from these companies is stupid, so yeah, let’s get that out of the way. That said, please… WM, Falcon, Wong and Melinda May… lol. They’re barely secondary characters, and obviously they’re talking about solo movies… not quite the same thing… that said:
2) That meme is not actually correct since the Atom movie was never announced. Yes, Snyder was gonna try to make it happen after JL, but obviously there was nothing concrete on that front. Other than that, I don’t have the old movie slate at hand right now, but I’m fairly sure the Cyborg solo movie was slated to come out before BP eventually did.
3) Yes, macguffins aren’t new, we all know that, however Thanos didn’t collect the stones until IW and the time-travel resolution would’ve also come out technically before IW.
So the point of the meme is that had the Snyderverse been allowed to continue, DC would’ve beaten Marvel to the punch of: “hero vs hero movie” (which they did with BVS), “first female SH solo movie” (which again, fuckin bullshit virtue signaling, but they did with WW1) and then also “first black SH solo movie”, the whole thing with a evil bad alien conqueror collecting macguffins to destroy the universe and the heros using time travel to beat him… and maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaybe also “first asian SH solo movie”, but that’s a very flimsy argument, as I pointed out.
But you already knew that and I just wasted 5 minutes typing this… u_u
Anyhow, Al was talking about Snyder being DC’s Feige, which he kinda was supposed to be, and was up to a point, until he wasn’t. Remember that WW1 did come out of his plans for the DCCU (or the Snyderverse as it’s called now), and so did SQ1, both of which did rather well at the BO, and WW1 also did well critically, so it’s not like it was a huge failure, since both got sequels, and probably qill get threequels.
Aquaman originally also spun out of Snyder’s plans, but that one started production late enough that they were able to get rid of Snyder’s “influence” at that point… but I guess he’s technically also a minority, so DC beat Marvel to that punch too…
The rest of the slate was simply scrapped.
Funny that for such a maligned guy, Snyder was building a MUCH more diverse cinematic universe (which in a way is also the point of the meme, I guess).
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So the point of the meme is that had the Snyderverse been allowed to continue, DC would’ve beaten Marvel to the punch of: “hero vs hero movie” (which they did with BVS), “first female SH solo movie” (which again, fuckin bullshit virtue signaling, but they did with WW1) and then also “first black SH solo movie”, the whole thing with a evil bad alien conqueror collecting macguffins to destroy the universe and the heros using time travel to beat him… and maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaybe also “first asian SH solo movie”, but that’s a very flimsy argument, as I pointed out.
Unfortunately they didn’t manage to hit the milestone of “first good movie”.
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Also, it’s kind of funny how short term this conversation tends to be when you see it talked about. None of these are firsts. We’ve had black superhero films going back to Steel, Spawn, Blade, Catwoman and Hancock; we’ve had solo female superhero films like Elektra and Catwoman; we’ve even had hero-vs-hero stories like X3.
All of these MCU and DC “firsts” are really “first…in the last few years.”
But I think the rush to assign credit for these “firsts” reflects how the studios are marketing the movies – acting as though they’re being incredibly groundbreaking by not leading on white males 100% of the time.
Not only are they not really breaking new ground, but these pre-existing movies with diverse leads show that they really could have been doing this all along.
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All of these MCU and DC “firsts” are really “first…in the last few years.”
The first… from our production studios.
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The Spawns and Elektras and what have you were from a different era of superhero movies, though. Outside of the big name brands like Batman and Spider-Man none of them were really presented or perceived as being big deals with billion dollar box office potential. Getting to the point where a female or person of colour fronted superhero movie not only has that potential but is expected to have that potential certainly seems like a positive trend.
See, if this is true then I think this makes it even more damning. Like they’ll allow black people and women to lead these movies while they think no-one is watching them, but once they hit the big-time it’s white males only.
But I’m not sure it is true, really. X-Men was one of the biggest superhero movie franchises before the MCU, and it was all about diversity, at the very heart of its concept. It feels like a convenient fiction to say that they thought audiences wouldn’t accept diverse leads in big superhero movies after X-Men did so well.
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It feels like a convenient fiction to say that they thought audiences wouldn’t accept diverse leads in big superhero movies after X-Men did so well.
On the MCU side, some of that is down to Ike Perlmutter of course. Dude was, shall we say ideologically opposed to having a woman-lead movie.
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Unfortunately they didn’t manage to hit the milestone of “first good movie”.
Man of Steel is still my favorite SH movie ever and I’m not even a Superman fan, so yeah…
Not only are they not really breaking new ground, but these pre-existing movies with diverse leads show that they really could have been doing this all along.
Hence why I said that whole “virtue signaling” from both studios (and particularly from fuckin’ Disney) is total bullshit, but hey, for some reason a lot of people actually swallow that shit and they think it’s worth giving them credit for that… for some reason…
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‘The Flash’: Mika Abdalla Cast on CW Superhero Series as Tinya Wazzo (Exclusive)
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‘Gotham Knights’ Drama In Works At the CW From ‘Batwoman’ Team
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Oh, and I bet it’ll be just as good as Batwoman… can we nuke the CW already? u_u
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I watch Batwoman because I like the star Javica Leslie but the writing staff takes liberties with the story material. After reading the article on Gotham Knights, They are doing it again. Their Knights have nothing to with the comic of the same name.
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