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Funny how you just need to adjust the lightning and colors, and the costumes don’t look like shit anymore…
#Batman #SnyderCut #ZackSnydersJusticeLeague #UsUnited #AFSP pic.twitter.com/3CHSdvLym1
— Zack Snyder (@ZackSnyder) March 4, 2021
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Turn the lights off altogether and they look amazing.
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Casting a Black Superman Isn’t Enough — Here’s What I Need to See From the Reboot
I don’t want to see this tying up this thread. I feel any responses should be moved to the Storytelling Thread which has been dormant for a while.
Don’t worry, Snyder’s got you covered baby =)
Also, nah, for real… that article is kinda bollocks… first of all it assumes that it’ll be a black Superman (I guess because the writer is black and black writers are only capable of writing stories about black people?
) when it hasn’t been confirmed, and secondly she’s just going through her own fan fiction wishlist… so yeah… xD1 user thanked author for this post.
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Wow, it looks like we dodged a bullet:
Batman & Lois Lane Have a Child in Snyder’s Justice League Sequels
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Why? Just…why?
But yeah, that’s definitely something I won’t be sad we missed out on.
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Wow, it looks like we dodged a bullet:
Batman & Lois Lane Have a Child in Snyder’s Justice League Sequels
But, but…. They already had. And it was the best part of at film.
THE BEST!
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Batman & Lois Lane Have a Child in Snyder’s Justice League Sequels
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Why? Just…why? But yeah, that’s definitely something I won’t be sad we missed out on.
It was a VERY early draft, written by Johns it would seem, like literally written by his hand… and the entire thing doesn’t even coincide with any of the later drafts which became the snydercut, and then the Josstice League obviously. I mean, Batman would’ve had to hook up with lois in JL part 1, before Superman is ressurected, which we know is not part of the snyder cut. So no, we would’nt have gotten that, although the general idea of Darkseid conquering earth and turning Superman evil and all that, yeah… we would’ve gotten that much.
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Btw, that info comes from that series of pages (script ideas) that are part of a snydercut exhibit in Texas… hence the picture…
Anyways, as far as I understand, originally, the first JL movie would not feature Superman at all until the very end when they ressurect him (that was the cliffhanger I guess), so it would’ve been kind of like “a world without Superman” movie… so Batman would gather everyone else and they’d fight Steppenwolf, no mother boxes involved yet, and during the movie Bruce would fall for Lois and they would find solace with each other, but then they realize they need Superman, so they ressurect him, and that would create the awkward love triangle/baby situation… in the end Batman would scarfice his life anyways and Lois & Clark would raise Bruce’s son as their own (which kinda fits with how Clark was adopted too, so a mirror story in that regard).
Honestly it’s not a bad idea, but it’s the kind of thing that works much better in an “Elseworlds” type of comicbook. Probably too “out there” for the crybabies who’re still hung up on Bale and Reeve. Anyhow, that whole idea was scrapped pretty early on, since they wanted Superman to come back much earlier… we wouldn’t have gotten that story, so whatever…
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Probably too “out there” for the crybabies who’re still hung up on Bale and Reeve.
I don’t know about out there, it just creates a convoluted mess of a situation that nobody cares about.
Also, that picture from the exhibitino… the idea of making a second movie about “the separate heroes’ journeys” was terrible, as is the idea of sacrificing Batman at the end of this before Darkseid has even invaded Earth.
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Honestly it’s not a bad idea, but it’s the kind of thing that works much better in an “Elseworlds” type of comicbook.
This is my feeling about the Snyder stuff in general. I think it’s just a little too far from the classic versions of the characters (both in story and tone) to have really broad appeal, but in its own right it’s a fairly interesting alternate take on the DC heroes.
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the idea of making a second movie about “the separate heroes’ journeys” was terrible
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Isn’t the whole Superman going mad with grief after the murder of Lois (and the baby she’s carrying) the premise for Injustice? it’s a perfectly fine concept that worked well enough for that game and comic series, but I just really think adding in the weird extra layer of Bruce impregnating Lois is completely unnecessary. To me it also falls a bit flat in the Snyderverse of things because of the lack of history/set-up. The Clark/Lois relationship never felt fleshed out enough. The Lois/Bruce thing obviously got zero screentime. Much like how I thought Bruce’s 180 from I’m gonna kill Superman to “he was my friend” wasn’t earned in anyway (no clue if that was a Snyder thing or a Whedon thing, but it didn’t work).
So yeah, the concept is fine. I’ve read similar comics, I’d watch a movie like that, but I don’t think it was set up to work very well with MoS and BvS as the only real preludes to it. But we’ll never know if they could have pulled it off at this point.
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the crybabies who’re still hung up on Bale and Reeve.
I resent being labelled like that.
It’s West and Reeve
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hum… okay? =P
I didn’t get the message.
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Also, Injustice is quite different and imo that story doesn’t really work for many many reasons… but I guess that’s what people think about when they hear evil Superman.
Agreed that Injustice is very flawed. There were pieces of it that I enjoyed and also plenty of stuff that just didn’t make much sense, but it’s a pretty easy comparison if we’re talking about a story that involves Superman going all murderous after the death of Lois. As someone who isn’t a big fan of Snyder as a storyteller, I wouldn’t trust that he could pull off what was being talked about in those early drafts. Snyder has some great visual sensibilities but I’ve never thought he was very good at hitting the right story beats or at handling big emotional beats either. For me there’s always something lacking that keeps me from connecting to his movies. His movies just feel cold and distant to me. Man of Steel tried hard, but I thought the big emotional moments just came off as stupid.
Not that it matters in this case. Sounds like it never made it beyond initial draft stages. Although part of the story seems like it was a response to the Superman Returns backlash of Superman being a deadbeat dad. Instead here he would have come full circle and been an adoptive parent himself. Although the idea that the kid still grows up to be Batman makes me feel like Superman and Lois really fail as parents. Teach that kid to use his daddy’s money to fix the world, not to prance around like a viscous, wounded animal. We’ve got a Wonder Woman, Flash, Aquaman and Superman to deal with the superhero shit. Money is your superpower so you go be normal, kid.
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Snyder has some great visual sensibilities but I’ve never thought he was very good at hitting the right story beats or at handling big emotional beats either.
This right here. This is why I love his 300. Because it’s just a movie comprised of violent moments with the most basic characters delivering pseudo-witty banter rather than a complex plot with real characters and deep dialogue. It’s a perfect fit for Snyder. It really speaks to his strengths and suffers none of his problems. Except maybe hyper-masculine fixation and objectification of women, but at least they didn’t have their dicks out.
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Being on a Taylor kick atm.
Injustice is quite different
. Yes, it is. It is written by someone who knows how to tell a story with 3 dimensional characters and extend it so we can see the whole world it takes place in rather just some pretty pictures and shock value story bits.
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I love it when people still forget that those fuckin movies were written by someone else… yes, Snyder probably had some input and maybe it was based on his ideas, but literally oscar-winner Chris Terrio wrote both scripts (BvS & JL)… but sure, keep on shitting on Snyder for everything
His movies just feel cold and distant to me. Man of Steel tried hard, but I thought the big emotional moments just came off as stupid.
Well that’s obviously where a lot of people differ… particularly with MoS… the emotional beats all worked for me and I thought Snyder did a great job directing his actors.
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https://twitter.com/TheRyanParker/status/1369058573632729097
Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesus fuck… I’m sorry but I just can’t think this was “accidental”… u_u
Well the good news is that the movie is sooo long that apparently no one managed to see it in full, so no pirated versions so far.
Well now I want to see a slo-mo version of Jerry whacking Tom in the head with a frying pan, in black and white, set to ‘Hallelujah’.
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Didn’t they save Hallelujah for the sex scene?
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Well now I want to see a slo-mo version of Jerry whacking Tom in the head with a frying pan, in black and white, set to ‘Hallelujah’
There you go… close enough
Hermoso el laburo que hicieron los pibes de @tres_corderos con la Justice League y Tom & Jerry 🖤#ZackSnydersJusticeLeague #SnyderCut pic.twitter.com/pBeF5A7DOb
— Batmaniano (@batmaniano) February 8, 2021
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I meant Tom and Jerry. Maybe if they just fuck and get it out of their systems they’ll be able to chill.
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I meant Tom and Jerry. Maybe if they just fuck and get it out of their systems they’ll be able to chill.
I’m pretty sure their antics in the cartoons are foreplay
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Without even checking, you can bet that Deviantart has a whole section for this.
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Must… resist… googling…
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Must… resist… googling…
It’s OK, we all know you googled.
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I had some morning drama coming from a friend, so I haven’t actually googled it.
Yet.
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Without even checking, you can bet that Deviantart has a whole section for this.
Well I mean, there’s a section for EVERYTHING in Deviantart… u_u
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I love it when people still forget that those fuckin movies were written by someone else… yes, Snyder probably had some input and maybe it was based on his ideas, but literally oscar-winner Chris Terrio wrote both scripts (BvS & JL)… but sure, keep on shitting on Snyder for everything
That’s a fair enough point, although I tend to point to Sucker Punch when I really want to talk about Snyder’s limitations as a storyteller since that was his first attempt at an original property that he also wrote. And it ended up being a dour and dull series of confusing music videos where he over-sexualized characters suffering from sexual and physical abuse that he somehow tried to play off as female empowerment in interviews. That Snyder thought he wrote an empowering movie for women where they spend the whole movie hiding in layers of male fantasies to escape the horrors of the real world only to have the main character get so brutalized that she actually gives up on life told me just about everything I needed to know about Snyder ability to craft and tell a story.
I do plan on giving the JL Snyder cut a shot. I thought there were promising aspects to both Man of Steel and BvS, but I wouldn’t be surprised if I can’t make it through all 4 hours of it.
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The fact that there’s a DC character called Spoiler makes those headlines all the more confusing.
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I’m just enjoying the concept that Warners deliberately put an hour of JL into a Tom and Jerry movie, removed within the hour, to sabotage the release of the cut they just spent $80m on. The Snydercut gang are very Qanon.
Crazy to go with the obvious answer someone made a technical mistake they quickly corrected. It’s a plot to deny us!
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That’s a fair enough point, although I tend to point to Sucker Punch when I really want to talk about Snyder’s limitations as a storyteller since that was his first attempt at an original property that he also wrote. And it ended up being a dour and dull series of confusing music videos where he over-sexualized characters suffering from sexual and physical abuse that he somehow tried to play off as female empowerment in interviews. That Snyder thought he wrote an empowering movie for women where they spend the whole movie hiding in layers of male fantasies to escape the horrors of the real world only to have the main character get so brutalized that she actually gives up on life told me just about everything I needed to know about Snyder ability to craft and tell a story.
Well I guess that’s fair enough if that’s your take on the movie… not everyone has the same take, and in a movie like that, maybe it’s better to not speak in absolutes and inject intent where there might not be.
That said, yeah the script was a bit of a mess.
The Snydercut gang are very Qanon.
Oh, so we’re back to comparing some movie nerds to fasict wanna-be (and some actual) terrorists?
And fwiw, the WHOLE movie was leaked, not just one hour, and it took at least 2 hours for them to fix it.
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And fwiw, the WHOLE movie was leaked, not just one hour, and it took at least 2 hours for them to fix it.
Yeah, I think what Gar said applies nevertheless. Way more likely that this is a fuck-up than a conspiracy.
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Oh, so we’re back to comparing some movie nerds to fasict wanna-be (and some actual) terrorists?
Don’t be so dramatic. The comparison is dreaming up crazy conspiracy theories that makes no sense. The idea that HBO are always trying to ‘sabotage’ a movie they’ve chosen to spend an extra $80m on.
It’s not like this is even the first time it’s happened. HBO accidentally dropped an episode of Game of Thrones a day early a couple of years ago. A quick Google shows Netflix did the same with the Sonic movie, I was supposed to be watching on official rugby stream last week and they had Italian football on instead (which that provider doesn’t even have the rights to).
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Don’t be so dramatic. The comparison is dreaming up crazy conspiracy theories that makes no sense. The idea that HBO are always trying to ‘sabotage’ a movie they’ve chosen to spend an extra $80m on.
To me it all feels like getting the excuses lined up before the movie comes out, to excuse any potential poor performance or reception.
It isn’t the true original Snyder Cut, they weren’t really behind it, they tried to sabotage its launch etc.
Basically, if this project doesn’t turn out well, there will be a hundred reasons why it was all someone else’s fault.
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The fact that there’s a DC character called Spoiler makes those headlines all the more confusing.
I don’t know anything about Spoiler, but I always imagine a quaint Silver-Age villain who goes round Gotham yelling plot twists at unsuspecting citizens.
In the ’66 TV series, her character would have been played by Lucille Ball.
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Gordon: “I’m afraid it’s serious, Batman. At a midnight showing of a Hitchcock classic last night, a title card was flashed up saying NORMAN’S MOTHER IS DEAD!”
Batman: “Indeed Commissioner, it can only mean that our old foe The Spoiler is back in town!”
Robin: “Holy plot twist, Batman!”
O’Hara: “Begorrah!”
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Batman wouldn’t be Spoiler’s nemesis, it would be M Night Shyamalan.
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Portrayed in the show as “Mister Night”, a campy and racially insensitive indian/pakistani stereotype who was once a brilliant crime-fighter but now fights crime powered by sheer stupidity.
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Well I guess that’s fair enough if that’s your take on the movie… not everyone has the same take, and in a movie like that, maybe it’s better to not speak in absolutes and inject intent where there might not be. That said, yeah the script was a bit of a mess.
I’m not quite clear where I injected intent where it might not exist. The only thing I pointed to was that Snyder intended to make a move about female empowerment. There were interviews when it came out with him talking about it. The rest is, yes, my experience with the movie. Which is largely my point about why I feel that Snyder isn’t a good storyteller. His intent was to make a movie about the fine line between exploitation and female empowerment, but it leans heavily into the exploitation part and all of the empowerment is done in video game fantasy sequence that are beneath a primary fantasy in which they are prostitutes. And even in those action sequences the choice was still to dress them in exploitative manners. And Snyder’s actual response to questions like “Why did you film the girls like this?” was “Well, you did.” Which is a really lazy way of trying to say he was attempting a meta-commentary on the exploitation of female sexuality. But to me it also reads as a douchey 40+ year old man trying to lazily justify dressing up girls all sexy and filming up their skirts in slo-mo. Am I being a bit hyperbolic? Sure. But whatever the intent was, I’d still say Snyder’s shortcomings got in his own way.
Now I’m sure plenty of people enjoyed the movie because everyone has their own tastes, but it’s still a pretty top notch illustration for me as to Snyder’s shortcomings as a filmmaker and storyteller. Dude’s got talent, but he’s also missing a few tricks to make his movies really gel for me as anything more than a bit of visual spectacle. Great for trailers, not as great for 2+ hour long movies for me. It’s why I’ve said multiple times over the years that if Snyder could just find a good writing partner that can fill in the gaps, he might be able to make some really cool movies.
Anyway, only about a week until the Snyder cut is out and those of us with enough stamina can then argue about whatever those 4 hours actually deliver.
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Casual comic book movie fans don’t seem too hyped based on a straw poll of one. My wife commented earlier today: “Did you know they’re releasing a new version of Justice League? It’s going to be something daft like four hours long! To hell with that!”
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Don’t be so dramatic. The comparison is dreaming up crazy conspiracy theories that makes no sense.
There are other terms for it, maybe use one of those… but you know what? sure, I won’t be so dramatic.
I’m not quite clear where I injected intent where it might not exist. The only thing I pointed to was that Snyder intended to make a move about female empowerment. There were interviews when it came out with him talking about it. The rest is, yes, my experience with the movie. Which is largely my point about why I feel that Snyder isn’t a good storyteller. His intent was to make a movie about the fine line between exploitation and female empowerment, but it leans heavily into the exploitation part and all of the empowerment is done in video game fantasy sequence that are beneath a primary fantasy in which they are prostitutes. And even in those action sequences the choice was still to dress them in exploitative manners. And Snyder’s actual response to questions like “Why did you film the girls like this?” was “Well, you did.” Which is a really lazy way of trying to say he was attempting a meta-commentary on the exploitation of female sexuality. But to me it also reads as a douchey 40+ year old man trying to lazily justify dressing up girls all sexy and filming up their skirts in slo-mo. Am I being a bit hyperbolic? Sure. But whatever the intent was, I’d still say Snyder’s shortcomings got in his own way.
Fair enough… I respect the honesty though I might not agree… but more than that, I dunno it’s such a weird movie that I can’t really argue that “no, it’s about this or that”, I’m honestly not too sure myself… it’s a very layered movie, pun intended, and at least I can agree that the writing was lacking to make it all work like it probably should’ve.
I would definetly say that I don’t agree with the “douchey 40+ year old man trying to lazily justify dressing up girls all sexy and filming up their skirts in slo-mo” comment, but whatever, I’m getting a bit tired of having to defend arguments about Snyder or his movies in here… so let’s just agree to disagree.
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My wife commented earlier today: “Did you know they’re releasing a new version of Justice League? It’s going to be something daft like four hours long! To hell with that!”
Well, hey, at least she’s aware of it… in my book that’s a solid win
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Also, nah, for real… that article is kinda bollocks… first of all it assumes that it’ll be a black Superman (I guess because the writer is black and black writers are only capable of writing stories about black people? ) when it hasn’t been confirmed, and secondly she’s just going through her own fan fiction wishlist… so yeah… xD
It hasn’t been confirmed? I thought it had, but that is an interesting idea. I remember an odd Superman story in the comics back in the 90’s or maybe early 2000’s where SUPERMAN encounters a black superhero – sorta like a black Martian Manhunter, as far as power set, but not an alien or shapeshifter (I think) – in the primarily minority inner city of Metropolis and discovers that he is really not welcome there any more than the police were. I can’t really remember it too well, but it was at least an interesting point of view if not that memorable.
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I’m not aware that anything’s been confirmed at all, except Coates’ involvement… “sources” say it is for a black Superman, but… well you know…
I honestly think it’d be more interesting to see a white SH story from the POV of a black writer, something we don’t see much of, if at all, than just a color-swap, but anyhow, until anything is confirmed, it’s just rumours.
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They’ve confirmed a ‘black’ Superman through “sources” and also with who they hired (Ta-Nehisi Coates) makes it obvious.
This is why we’ll be seeing more Calvin Ellis in the comics.
There’s no way it’s not what’s being said.Black Panther broke huge ground, and WB could set themselves up for the biggest movie of all time.
They just need to have the right people in place, and keep the wrong people away.
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The second part of that last sentence may be the most important.
Well… you know… JJ Abrams is already involved so…
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Youtube chucked this my way too… It’s pretty good production-wise for a fan thing… also impressive they got some known actors in there… buuuuuut I dunno… the acting and the writting were pretty bad all in all… still, A for effort for sure:
Gotta say though, that bat-costume is ON POINT… it looks like a mix of Battinson and Batfleck… not bad
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remember an odd Superman story in the comics back in the 90’s or maybe early 2000’s where SUPERMAN encounters a black superhero – sorta like a black Martian Manhunter, as far as power set, but not an alien or shapeshifter (I think) – in the primarily minority inner city of Metropolis and discovers that he is really not welcome there any more than the police were. I can’t really remember it too well, but it was at least an interesting point of view if not that memorable.
Ah, yes, I remember that character. Typical “angry Black man” stereotype. I remember when I used to hang out at Jim Hanley’s Universe. One night, Chris Cross (the artist, not the 80’s yacht rock singer) expressed his own disdain for the character, referring to him as “Muhammad Ten”.
Also, there were “new” Black superheroes named in that story who still haven’t appeared in a DC Comic.
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Also, there were “new” Black superheroes named in that story who still haven’t appeared in a DC Comic.
That’s generally my preference. Introduce characters who already exist back into the comics and movies and make them popular. Most popular characters were completely unknown to the audience until they were given promotion, attention and good stories. Even many comics readers had no idea who Agatha Harkness was, and now she’s hot. Even in the comics, The X-Men were always at the bottom of the list of Marvel’s titles until they exploded practically overnight.
On the other hand, I do like alternate versions of the characters like Hernan Guerra of the Gods and Monsters version of the Justice League that present the characters from minority perspectives, but there are innumerable forgotten characters that could be given to new writers and artists that could break out.
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I also like that approach more. Ultimately it’s more sustainable too. You can race or gender switch iconic characters but they’ll always revert back to the source.
Whereas from Black Panther to Kamala Khan Ms Marvel they have their unique story to tell that can be just as popular in comics sales or movie tickets, even a conceptually derivative character like She-Hulk has a very different identity to Hulk. You have a very different set of stories to tell for Jennifer than you do for Bruce. He’s anguished, she’s confident, he’s a scientist, she’s a lawyer.
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And yet, when they had the chance to use a black Captain Marvel that already existed, they still went for Carol Danvers, for some god forsaken reason… u_u
Although it seems Marvel might be pushing Carol out at this point, but still…
Anyways, my hope is that this new Superman movie is a Steel movie in disguise, shit, they already have all the leg work they need to make a pretty CB-accurate Steel movie at this point.
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Doubtful, that movie came out like 20+ years ago, and I doubt whoever paid for the license (if anyone did) wasted any more money after that disastrous bomb.
It’s weird, but these things happen in movie making. It doesn’t cost much to maintain the rights compared to what you can get off it should it suddenly become a hot property even if it is decades later. Show business is like mining for gold. Chances are you’ll never hit it rich, but you keep digging.
LORD OF THE RINGS is probably the most obvious example. Saul Zaentz purchased the rights in the 60’s, made the Bakshi animated version in the 70’s and then hit it big with the Jackson movies and they were still fighting the Tolkein estate over the profits in 2013 (maybe to this day).
STEEL was a joke for 20 years, but today people are scrambling to make movies about black superheroes and he’s one of the most well-known. Namor is in a similar situation where he’s a character who was kind of a joke for years but with the success of Aquaman, it brought more appeal to the idea of a Namor movie or putting Namor in the MCU. The “rights” to the character sort of reverted back to Marvel, like the Hulk, but Universal still holds distribution rights for the character, so it limits how Marvel can use the character.
However, I really can’t see any problem like that with STEEL. I think WB owns the character outright. It may just be that the Shaq film poisoned the well – even though in theory, he’s got a great amount of potential as essentially a guy as smart and capable as Tony Stark but he had been born to a working class African American family.
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What an ugly design, with a stupid face. He looks like some a character from a lesser The Mummy movie.
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Juanique Henry Irons!
Her name is Natasha and she is the niece of John Henry Irons. She was last seen in the No Justice version of the Titans.
https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Natasha_Irons_(Prime_Earth)
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What an ugly design, with a stupid face.
In fairness, that’s true of the original Kirby design too.
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I’m saying it’s no more stupid-looking or weird than the original Kirby design.
I don’t think it looks bad as a serious live-action version of the character.
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this is what I consider to be Darkseid by Kirby
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I’m saying it’s no more stupid-looking or weird than the original Kirby design.
I don’t think it looks bad as a serious live-action version of the character.
Look at Darkseid in his short dress, gloves, and go-go boots!
Someone looks ready to hit the clubs!
You go, girl!
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those 2 pictures look very different to me but yours does say Kirby. I did a google search on Darkseid by Kirby to get mine. Weird.
Kirby drew Darkseid over a long period – that one I posted may be a later version. Yours certainly looks more like his classic style.
Anyway, back to the movie design – I have no great love for Snyder but I honestly think this is a pretty decent stab at bringing the Kirby look to live-action.
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Look at Darkseid in his short dress, gloves, and go-go boots!
Someone looks ready to hit the clubs!
You go, girl!
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