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  • #28263

    Maybe DC wants to kill off the direct market so they can go digital exclusive.

    After two months of no revenue, Diamond, the publishers, and the retail network are already in a precarious position. Now really isn’t the time to disrupt that. Just like that, Diamond is going to lose one-fourth to one-third of its volume, and retailers are going to see increased shipping costs and manpower requirements. And this on top of an already uncertain economic outlook, both within the industry and greater society.

    It’s almost like they’re trying to burn down the industry.

    I suspect a lot of veteran retailers are having Hero’s World flashbacks today.

     

    Yeah, my LCS owners are old friends and one of them was already complaining about DC’s half-assed mid-apocalypse shipping, and are not pleased with this.

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  • #28297

    It’s a strange situation, because I’m trying to see how it benefits DC in any meaningful way. On Facebook, Brian Hibbs said he suspected DC was playing hardball with Diamond over something, hoping they would blink and they didn’t.

    This is such a drastic move at a time when the industry is reeling that it feels like they’re either throwing a Hail Mary Pass or a Molotov Cocktail.

    The only way I can see this as being a positive move is that DC is setting up an alternative distribution channel because they believe (or know) that Diamond is about to go tits-up. It could be that it’s something they’ve known for a while, but they’re acting quickly because they fear Diamond won’t survive the pandemic shutdown. In this case, DC is a White Knight.

    The worst-case scenario is that DC’s endgame is to pull out of the Direct Market entirely, publish their single comic books digitally, and possibly print physical TPBs and HCs with selected reprinted or original content. I could see this being a corporate mandate from AT&T, and, instead of pulling out entirely, DC is going to take baby steps to extricate themselves from the DM, even if they destroy it in the process. Could this be the reason behind all of these “Digital First” comics they’re putting out, the series that were canceled last week and having their final issues published digitally only, and the decision to release Lucifer‘s final arc as a TPB OGN?

     

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  • #28300

    Could this be the reason behind all of these “Digital First” comics they’re putting out,

    To be fair they’ve been running those daily ‘Digital First’ comics since 2011.

    Not to say that they couldn’t have a long term plan to make issues digital and then trades in print but there’s not really a significant change in their model right now. Other than finishing those cancelled comics, that were almost certainly losing money or they wouldn’t be cancelled, on another platform.

  • #28362

    I keep wondering when the business model for comics will change from one where the story is first published in parts and then collected to one where the story is just published, complete.

    Maybe then we wouldn’t have to put up with crap like in the Action Comics TP I just read where Superman is suddenly rescued, and if I want to know how that happened, I have to read another comic book. When was the last time you saw that in a prose book? Never! That’s when!

    Who could possibly think that this is a good way to tell a story?

  • #28375

    I think maybe a while. The current model is pretty good for cashflow, the issues pay for the production which then means the collections are very high profit margin items. It also means you get to test the material is popular before you commit to a trade rather than pay all upfront and hope for the best.

    However that’s no excuse for collecting material and leaving chunks of the story out. They can and should have included that other book in the trade.

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  • #28608

    A new Anti-Superman villain debuting this September

    A major new DC character will debut in September’s Superman #25 – one that is the “antithesis of everything Superman stands for” according to the publisher.

    In September 8’s Superman #25, readers will be introduced to Synmar – a warrior created as the standard-bearer for an entire alien race that is from the furthest reaches of DC space.

    Long-time series wither Brian Michael Bendis continues with this issue, joined by his original artistic partner for the series – Ivan Reis.

    More in link…

    ______________________________________

    Brian Michael Bendis wrapping up his Superman run

    Brian Michael Bendis has announced that he is wrapping up his run on DC’s Superman title.

    “I’m heading towards the end of my run on Superman, so I’ve been more reflective on it,” Bendis said on the podcast Off Panel. “And it’s — I’ll never be more grateful than I got to heal my near-death experience through Superman, and get through this pandemic. No matter what’s going on with this world, I get to spend a few hours each day with Superman. That’s a gift.”

    Bendis hasn’t specified when his run is to end, or any storylines associated with it.

    Bendis has been writing both DC’s Action Comics and Superman titles since April 2018. In the intervening years, the Portland-based writer introduced several new villains for the character, revealed his secret identity to the world, brought back Superman’s signature trunks (hey, don’t discount it!), and spun-off several series including Legion of Super-Heroes, Lois Lane, Superman’s Pal Jimmy Olsen, the Event Leviathan limited series, and the upcoming Checkmate series.

    The writer didn’t specify if his Action Comics run would be ending alongside his Superman run.

    In late 2017, Bendis signed a “multiyear, multi-faceted” exclusive deal with DC – for which his Superman work, so far, has been the cornerstone. Now in the third year of that run, it’s unknown what new DC projects the writer has planned – nor the length of that “multiyear” deal.

    More in link…

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  • #28619

    Bendis is a little out of the norm as a comics writer as I’ve heard him say several times he works 7 or 8 issues ahead of schedule. Not just plots but full scripts. That’s why when he was really sick his comics kept coming out as usual.

    So I suspect what he means is that even if he is working towards the end of his run it might be a very long time before we actually see it.

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  • #28756

    DC comics really shat the bed with the Diamond stuff.

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  • #28932

    Solicitations for September 2020

    DC Solicitations for September – at Newsarama , at CBR, at Continuum

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  • #28942

    Newsarama already had a fair amount of crap on their site but merging with Gamesradar has raised it to new heights, so much so its almost unreadable.

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  • #28943

    Yeah, it seems to have followed CBR into becoming a listicle shitfest peppered with a load of stuff that’s nothing to do with comics.

  • #29564

    Static Co-Creator Denys Cowan Teases the Return of Milestone

    In an exclusive interview with CBR, Denys Cowan — the co-creator of Static — teased the possible return of the fan-favorite Milestone Comics.

    BY ADREON PATTERSON
    2 HOURS AGO

    For years, the founders of Milestone Media have hinted at the possible return of Milestone Comics. Now, Milestone co-founder Denys Cowan once again teased the resurgence of the Static-associated imprint.

    In an interview with CBR, Cowan was asked about talks of the revival, to which he said, “As you know, we were involved in a lawsuit that everyone read about in the papers, if people care to read about that kind of stuff. Not everything that was printed was true, but there was still a situation. Well, that situation has been resolved to all parties’ satisfaction. So we’re all happy and the person that had an issue with us is happy. We’re all together; we’re all friends; we’re all good. And DC and Milestone were going forward with their plans after a very long delay and, just when we were starting to pick up everything again, is when the pandemic hit.”

    “But that hasn’t really stopped work from progressing,” he continued. “I can’t say anything really big right now, some of the stuff had already been announced a while ago, and we’re still proceeding with a lot of those things. There’s going to be some new things that are going to be announced. But for all people who are thinking about Milestone, we thank you for your continued patience. There will be stuff to see and there will be stuff to see relatively soon. And hopefully, people will be back on the Milestone bandwagon, and it’ll be good because I think that now, it’s needed more than ever.”

    The last time there was serious talk of a Milestone revival was in 2017 as Cowan, Reginald Hudlin and DC Publisher Jim Lee announced the return of the imprint’s characters to the DC Universe at the New York Comic Con.

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  • #29584

    They want to try and get back to normal as soon as they can

    That’s kinda the problem ain’t it? if they still think there’s “going back to normal”, honestly maybe they should just go under… harsh, yeah, but true.

  • #29886

    DC pulls Warren Ellis’s Death Metal story following series of allegations

    The Batman’s Grave still going ahead currently.

    Well look at the balls on DC going out and pulling a two page story from an anthology, but not touching a money-maker.

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  • #29887

    But this a good thing DC has done

    DC celebrates Juneteenth with Milestone’s Icon and Static Shock front-and-center

    I really do hope efforts from Milestone and other diversification projects succeed.

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  • #29946

    Well look at the balls on DC going out and pulling a two page story from an anthology, but not touching a money-maker.

    There’s the Alan Moore defence here (for when he allowed reprints of his work from Marvel). Stop a mini series a few issues from the end and deny Bryan Hitch his royalties when he did nothing wrong.

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  • #29957

    Yeah, I agree with that. Cancelling Batman’s Grave just shits on others who are nothing to do with it all.

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  • #29965

    It would be unfair on any number of people, Hitch was just saying he was drawing issue 10 of 12. There are readers who have spent $28 so far to end up with an unfinished story.

    The question then will be if DC pick him for any new series. The disappearance of the two pager kind of suggests not.

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  • #29969

    I wouldn’t be surprised if DC were happy to have an excuse to cut ties with him. It didn’t seem like they had a good relationship after all the Wild Storm stuff fell apart.

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  • #29972

    I wouldn’t be surprised if DC were happy to have an excuse to cut ties with him. It didn’t seem like they had a good relationship after all the Wild Storm stuff fell apart.

    I may be mistaken but in an Orbital Operations from not that long ago, I got the impression he had more DC work lined up.

    I’m sure that’s dead now.

  • #29981

    I wouldn’t be surprised if DC were happy to have an excuse to cut ties with him.

    Truth is that kind of thing is easier nowadays. Despite his fame The Wildstorm was not a big seller, Batman’s Grave is doing better but it was only  the 9th best selling book with Batman in it in March. I know these are the types of books that will do better in trade but it’s a far cry from losing Miller and Moore in 1988.

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  • #30642

    https://www.cbr.com/bendis-shares-all-star-artists-for-trial-of-the-legion-of-super-heroes/

    So DavidM, will you pick this up to see Mike Grell return to the LSH?

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  • #30815

    https://www.cbr.com/bendis-shares-all-star-artists-for-trial-of-the-legion-of-super-heroes/

    So DavidM, will you pick this up to see Mike Grell return to the LSH?

    I’m still buying the Legion anyway, as I have people who are depending on me for monthly roasts :-)

    Grell isn’t my favourite Legion artist by a long shot. He started well but it feels like he got bored with it or something because there’s a definite drop in quality over his run.

    I’m more excited by Dan Jurgens to be honest. I’d be doubly excited if he were writing it too :yahoo:

     

  • #30820

    I posted it in the Trades thread, but do any DC-savvy folks have recommendations for this 10 for £25 sale? https://www.zavvi.com/home/books/dc-comics/offer.list

    My current choices are:

    The Nail
    Another Nail
    The New Gods Part One
    The New Gods Part Two
    The Great Darkness Saga
    Earth One Collection
    Kingdom Come Part One
    Kingdom Come Part Two
    Batman/Huntress: Cry For Blood
    Selina’s Big Score

  • #30825

    Jla: New world order is solid.

    So is Superman Secret Origin. Awesome Gary Frank art.

    Id go for Bats/Supes: Public Enemies too.

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  • #31153

    New Frontier is beautiful Darwyn Cooke art
    Teen titans Birth- this was the book that competed with X Men in circulation
    JSA Golden Age I would recommend this. James Robinson did great job as writer.

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  • #31170

    Grell isn’t my favourite Legion artist by a long shot. He started well but it feels like he got bored with it or something because there’s a definite drop in quality over his run.

    As I’ve said before, some of the worst male costume designs in the history of the LSH can be attributed to Grell:

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  • #31220

    “Bad” or “ahead of his time”?

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  • #31222

    “Bad” or “ahead of his time”?

    Bad ahead of his time-bad.

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  • #31223

    “Bad” or “ahead of his time”?

    Do you have a rough estimate on when his time is scheduled to arrive? I need to make plans to be elsewhere.

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  • #31258

    “Bad” or “ahead of his time”?

    Do you have a rough estimate on when his time is scheduled to arrive? I need to make plans to be elsewhere.

    Good news: It will be long after you’re dead.

    Bad news: It will be right where your remains are.

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  • #31269

    “Bad” or “ahead of his time”?

    Do you have a rough estimate on when his time is scheduled to arrive? I need to make plans to be elsewhere.

    I hope those plans involve a corset with a rectangle cut out

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  • #31698

    Janin? That could be good.

  • #31721

    Found this synopsis of Stan Lees Batman (from the Just Imagine… series) on reddit. Thought I’d share. Enjoy:

    Before that, I remember how Bruce D. Wayne’s origin story was that he was bitten by a radioactive bat and gained actual bat-themed superpowers kinda like Spiderman. He could actually fly, had impeccable reflexes and hearing, and ate a lot of fruit. Seriously, the man loved fruit and ate fruit salad out of a giant bowl with a giant spoon. He looked like an optimistic, cheery, and chubby 10 year old who just up-ended an entire box of Froot Loops in a mixing bowl to prepare for nonstop marathon of Saturday morning cartoons.

     

    But tragedy never struck this Batman. His parents lived, laughed, and loved with the best of them, but he became Batman anyway and moved to Mexico City because, in this universe, his parents and the Wayne Foundation were pretty good about cleaning up Gotham without the need for street-level vigilante crime and throwing haymakers at poor people stealing toasters. He didn’t want all those radioactive bat powers to go to waste, you see.

     

    So Batman went to Mexico City (called “Ciudad de la Muerte” or Muerte in this DC universe) and fought mainly white guys who, for some vague reasons, ran an awful lot of crime and drugs in Mexico. This was hilarious in the early days of internet newsgroups because everyone was critiquing how “political correctness has gone mad” and shitty comic authors had made their sacred idol Batman into a black dude fighting white evil dudes in Mexico, of all places.

     

    Then the next issue dropped and it turned out that the white guys all worked for the CIA, only by another name. Then all the loud and shitty anti-PC fans suddenly shut up because they realized the comic was drawing from the actual history of the CIA being heavily involved in crime and drug operations of several countries south of the border. It was a like a shut-the-fuck-up bombshell exploded and shut up all the dirtbags. That was including me, honestly. I was one of those dirtbags who didn’t know what I was talking about. I still don’t know what I’m talking about, but I didn’t know what I was talking about then either (Thanks, Mitch Hedberg).

     

    There were also several lizard bad guys who followed under the leadership of a guy with the hilariously-mediocre name of Muerte Morty. Muerty Morty distinguished himself from his green underlings by being blue and wearing a stylish hat. I can’t quite remember, but I think he wore a necktie and shirt as well, but no pants (AKA “Donald Ducking it”).

     

    By the way, I should have mentioned that the D in this version of Batman, Bruce D. Wayne, stood for Dwayne. That’s the best part because that means Muerte Batman was named B. Dwayne Wayne, and that’s just poetry. That is absolute perfection in terms of names.

     

    Muerte Batman also had a sidekick that wasn’t Robin. It was, you-guessed-it, a corny guy in a luchador mask who had vague “spirit powers” from his ancestors or something. This was seen by some as kinda racist. Others thought it was also political correctness gone wild. They can’t all be winners, folks. Sometimes, in the effort to be progressive and thought-provoking, comic book authors fly right past the mark, just enthusiastically hurling themselves off a cliff into a pile of thorns. His name was El Pastor, because he was a preacher who, one day, decided to put on a luchador mask and fight people. So he teamed up with Batman, who conveniently lived like right next door in a goddamn cave.

     

    Anyway, some people said this was the inspiration for Jack Black’s film, Nacho Libre, about a priest who becomes a luchador. But [both were actually inspired by a real dude.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fray_Tormenta). At the time, however, comic book fans didn’t know this bit of vital information. So, once again, a gesture that seemed absurdly politically-correct ended up being based on a real person, and I felt like a jackass for being critical of it. I mean, it makes perfect sense in the story because Fray Tormenta and El Pastor and Nacho Libre were all motivated to help an orphanage. And Batman is all about helping dem orphans (even though, in this universe, Dwayne Wayne isn’t an orphan. I guess orphan-aid is core to the Batman mythos, no matter the origin story).

     

    What else? Obviously, Alfred moved to Muerte with B. Dwayne Wayne to keep an eye on him. Then, out of the blue, Batman’s younger brother comes to live with him. And all the readers on Usenet were like, “What? He didn’t have a brother? I am once again outraged!” But then, if you looked back at the first issue, plain as day, there’s a picture of Martha Wayne holding a baby while little Batman is like 6 years old and wearing short shorts and poking various bats with sticks in a bit of foreshadowing.

     

    So Batman’s brother is a cool kid with a great sense of humor and ends up living a pretty normal life and marrying a nice girl who is a doctor. They have kids. Batman becomes an uncle, which is just fantastic. The kids keep pestering Batman, asking why he doesn’t visit them that much. So Batman literally invents a sort of Elon Musk-ish hyperloop thing that links Gotham, Muerte, and Seattle in a big triangle. I was just happy that, for once, Seattle got a shout-out in a comic book. So Dwayne Wayne can travel to visit his niece and nephew in like 15 minutes. Plus, it involves a long dark tunnel, and Batman just fucking loves caves. Huge cave fan. So this dude probably spent 50 billion dollars just to be a cool uncle, which is just a level of dedication that I respect.

     

    Okay, now guess what his brother’s name is? It’s Arthur F. Wayne. And his wife, the doctor, is… yeah. So basically, the Joker is his brother and never becomes the Joker, just a dad with an impressive arsenal of dad jokes. God, I loved Muerte Batman. Even the later issues where he moved to Moscow, fought a polar bear, and punched it right in the bear testicles (You’ve probably seen the meme). Sometimes, I would just sit and think about Muerte Batman. There weren’t many good black superheroes.

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  • #31799

    I realise that there isn’t much you can do to control where Twitter crops a picture, but really?

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  • #31911

    So the manager at my LCS posted the following comments on her Facebook page regarding DC Comics and one of their distributers:

    “I am perpetually exhausted by the ever expanding ring of bullshit that the DC demands retailers wade through to promote their laughably low quality shit show.”

    “Also if UCS were a person I would kick them in the genitals so hard a dentist would have to take my size six out of their body cavity.”

    “I’ve seen less damaged goods in a Joker story line.”

    One of her friends posted this response:
    “Dropping the entire DC singles line was one of the best decision I’ve made as a shop owner. I’m sorry you have to deal with this.”

    Her response:
    “I would rather get a colonoscopy while getting my annual pap and a root canal done simultaneously than deal with them a second longer.”

    “I genuinely from the bottom of my heart hope this wretchedly suspect move kills them within the year.”

    I hope things smooth out for them. I can imagine that since this is in the early days of the transition, there may be a lot of bugs to iron out. But still, DAMN!!!

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  • #31918

    She also said that UCS wants her to photograph every damage this week on the comics they receive.

  • #31920

    I realise that there isn’t much you can do to control where Twitter crops a picture, but really?

    Does someone else want to tell David that this point of view isn’t limited to Twitter?

    Twits tediously talk at first with a quick flick of a glance at….

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  • #32764

    from 13thdimension

    DC to Publish WHO’S WHO OMNIBUS — Finally!

    13thdimension dc-to-publish-whos-who-omnibus-finally

    Who’s Who Omnibus Vol. 1

    The series fans demanded is collected at last! Who’s Who was a series that began in 1985 and ran through the 1990s, cataloguing every character, good or evil, in the DC Universe, from Abel to Zyklon and beyond, with copious detail on powers, origins, and other key facets of each character.
    The series fans demanded is collected at last! Who’s Who was a series that began in 1985 and ran through the 1990s, cataloguing every character, good or evil, in the DC Universe, from Abel to Zyklon and beyond, with copious detail on powers, origins, and other key facets of each character.

    Illustrated by a wide range of top artists from the Golden Age of comics up through the 1980s indie comics scene, Who’s Who was a feast for the eyes as well as being the ultimate guide to the denizens of the DC Universe.

    Collects Who’s Who: The Definitive Directory of the DC Universe #1-26 (1985), Who’s Who Update 1987 #1-5 (1987), Who’s Who Update 1988 #1-4 (1988), plus material from Action Comics Annual #2 (1987), Batman Annual #13, Blackhawk Annual #1 (1989), Detective Comics Annual #2 (1988), Dr. Fate Annual #1 (1989), Green Arrow Annual #2, Justice League Annual #3 (1987), Secret Origins Annual #3, Swamp Thing Annual #5, The Flash Annual #3 (1987 series), The New Titans Annual #5 (1995), The Question Annual #2 (1988), and Wonder Woman Annual #2 (1988).

    AMAZING WORLD OF SUPERMAN Treasury to Be Released as Hardcover FACSIMILE EDITION

    13thdimension amazing-world-of-superman-treasury-to-be-released-as-hardcover-facsimile-edition

    Back in the early days of treasury-size comics, DC published Amazing World of Superman, a beloved primer on all things Man of Steel, with classic stories and various other fun features.

    Amazing World of Superman (Tabloid Edition)

    The brilliant retelling of Superman’s origin story is reprinted in its original, tabloid-size format for the first time!

    This tabloid-size masterpiece includes the story of Superman Land with Lex Luthor, Superboy stories, “How to Draw Superman”, “Superman Family Portrait”, and more!

  • #32769

    DC is finally collecting Who’s Who in 2021

  • #32821

    Here we go again:

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  • #32826

    Just saw that and was about to post it. I wonder which Rorshchach it’ll be.

  • #32828

    I wonder which Tom King it’ll be.

    If it’s the one who recently left his run on Batman this will at best be a boring slog.

    If it’s the one who wrote that awesome Mister Miracle series this could be really good.

    We’ll see. I won’t pay for any bastardization of Moore’s work but I’m sure some well-mannered internet stranger will lend me a digital copy somehow.

  • #32829

    Maybe Rorschach’s clipped manner of speaking will make King’s dialogue readable the way Vision’s precise robotic voice did for his Vision comic.

  • #32830

    Coming soon: Rorschach vs Robocop

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  • #32831

    Just saw that and was about to post it. I wonder which Rorshchach it’ll be.

    We could find out which it is by using some sort of test. But what to call it…

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  • #32833

    That’s a good Question?

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  • #32834

    Mister Eh?

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  • #32842

    At least it’s a cool cover.

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  • #32852

    At least it’s a cool cover.

    The art looks nice, and King has shown that he’s perfect for these kinds of limited series, so I expect the writing to be good. It could be a good story. I think the eyerolling is generally just at DC digging up Watchmen’s corpse again for yet another roll.

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  • #32853

    Tom King is probably the best modern day writer to take on a Moore property, he really borrows a lot of his style in all his work. That’s not a criticism either, I think it’s rather crap so many ignored what he was doing breaking ground in the 1980s. Azarello and Brubaker borrow a lot from the juxtaposition of text and image but the 9 panel grid was left largely dormant for 30 years until King used it again.

    He’s not as good as Moore, it’ll be a pale imitation of the original, but it’ll almost certainly be better than most.

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  • #32884

    Tom King is probably the best modern day writer to take on a Moore property, he really borrows a lot of his style in all his work. That’s not a criticism either, I think it’s rather crap so many ignored what he was doing breaking ground in the 1980s. Azarello and Brubaker borrow a lot from the juxtaposition of text and image but the 9 panel grid was left largely dormant for 30 years until King used it again.

    He’s not as good as Moore, it’ll be a pale imitation of the original, but it’ll almost certainly be better than most.

    It’s not a question of quality. Watchmen was a complete story. It is part of the point of it. It said all that was to be said within the confines of the cover to the collected version. There is nothing more than can be said about any of these characters that should be said. There is nothing more that can be said without diluting it for its future readers.

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  • #32932

    Oh I agree completely, there was no point in any spin-offs and they are a bad idea. We’re long past that point now though, they’ve had Dr Manhattan fight Superman.

     

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  • #32938

    We’re long past that point now though, they’ve had Dr Manhattan fight Superman.

    And every time they let a new one out I’ll be here complaining before, during, and after reading it. Without paying for it.

    Never compromise. Not even in the face of Armageddon.

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  • #32952

    It is September 1986. DC is releasing the first issue of its new Watchmen comic.

    It is November 2017. DC is releasing the first issue of its new Watchmen comic.

    It is June 2012. DC is releasing the first issue of its new Watchmen comic.

    It is October 2020. DC is releasing the first issue of its new Watchmen comic.

    All we ever see of DC’s stars is their work on new Watchmen comics.

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  • #32964

    Hrm.

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  • #33179

    Solicitations for October 2020 thread

    DC for October: at CBR, at Newsarama, at Continuum

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  • #33188

    BATMAN AND THE OUTSIDERS #17

    written by BRYAN HILL
    art by DEXTER SOY
    cover by TYLER KIRKHAM
    variant cover by SANFORD GREENE
    ON SALE 10/13/20
    $3.99 US | 32 PAGES | FC | DC
    FINAL ISSUE
    Series finale! The war with Ra’s al Ghul reaches its end, and none of the Outsiders will ever be the same. And none of them might ever be a team again! Did Batman choose the wrong allies to assemble to fight Ra’s? Or did those allies make a mistake in believing in Batman? The critically acclaimed series comes to its end!

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  • #33224

    Wildstorm alert

  • #33242

    Holy shit – the final American Vampire has been solicited.

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  • #33258

    Sweeeeet!

    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/dc-revives-american-vampire-third-final-series-1303442

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  • #33351

    Oh I agree completely, there was no point in any spin-offs and they are a bad idea. We’re long past that point now though, they’ve had Dr Manhattan fight Superman.

    Yeah, DC is obviously determined to keep doing this. But you do have to wonder why a writer like Tom King would decide to be part of it. I mean, I’d expect no different from Geoff Johns, who is a corporate hack, but you have to wonder at what writers like Straczinsky or King are thinking when they take on these projects. I mean, I get the temptation to write Rorschach, but to do this against the creator’s explicit wishes… and to risk being cursed, too!

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  • #33361

    To be fair to Tom King, Alan Moore has cursed most people by this stage

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  • #33375

    But I’ve only ever said nice things about Alan Moore.

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  • #33377

    CURSED!

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  • #33382

    But I even felt guilty for watching Watchmen.

  • #33383

    SUPER CURSED!

     

  • #33384

    It’s as good an explanation as any.

    You watched it too.

  • #33386

    Yes but I am mega ultra cursed.

    I even read that Grant Morrison book that added a double curse.

    So I’m like captain cursed.

    Man, I would like to not be cursed.  Seriously, comic book writers, fuck you.

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  • #33389

    Yes, well, I have all the luck of the Irish so I’m doubly doubly doomed.

    I know the cure. Can you guess?

  • #33390

    Go to Bruges?

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  • #33392

    No but that’s a good idea.

    Swans and stuff.

     

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  • #33395

    Go to Bruges?

    Fucking Bruges…

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  • #33559

    Oh, Weird: The Green Lantern Turned Into Mail One Time

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  • #34222

    Drink Like the Dark Knight With This Batman Cocktail Book

    But I thought Batman was a teetotaler.

  • #34229

    Bruce Wayne isn’t.

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  • #34371

    Official – ‘Endless Winter’ is the next big DC story

    DC has released the first teaser for its upcoming ‘Endless Winter’ story-arc. Confirming what Newsarama earlier reported, the event will begin in December 2020.

    And while the teaser itself leaves pretty much everything to the imagination other than the title-logo against an icy blue background, Newsarama expects the storyline to be Justice League related.

    The image appears Friday in the publisher’s DC Connect #3, its new self-published catalog featuring its October 2020 solicitations.

    While it’s possible the event could be tied into the lesser-known villain Endless Winter as we previously speculated, another possibility (or perhaps both) is that the title ‘Endless Winter’ is more of a ‘big picture’ description.

    Given that the current DC event Dark Nights: Death Metal is scheduled to run through January 2021, this could be tied into events there – namely remaking the world after the Batman Who Laughs turned Earth into a savage playground for him and his forces.

    Where his and Perpetua’s plans are fierier, ‘Endless Winter’ could flip the switch (or the thermostat rather) into a sub-zero, ice-filled world. While readers are currently dealing with another type of worldwide calamity, a new Ice age could be an interesting fictional playground for DC’s titles to explore a la the classic Batman ‘No Man’s Land’ scenario with the heroes rebuilding after a natural (or even unnatural) disaster.

    If this sounds a little familiar to you, it should; in 1996 DC published a crossover titled ‘The Final Night’ where Earth froze after the Sun-Eater extinguished the Sun. That event, which lasted five weeks, had its own limited series and crossed over into numerous titles including Superman, Batman, The Power of Shazam, Legion of Super-Heroes, and Sovereign Seven.

    While that might seem like an obscure callback, DC is listing a new collection of ‘The Final Night’ – the first time it’s been collected in print since 1998 – to go on sale March 9, 2021, on Amazon.

    I don’t know about you, but as someone in the middle of the dog days of summer here in Florida, the idea of some cold weather is something I’m looking forward to… but ‘Endless’? I don’t know about that.

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  • #34381

    Bit late to jump onto the winter-is-coming train, innit?

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  • #34387

    Now I’m a bit late.

    I was in mid-type “Winter is Coming (again)!”

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  • #34388

    Endless Winter, huh?   Feeling kind of cold about it.

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  • #34390

    Endless Winter, huh?

    Surely a Sandman/Bill S Preston esq. crossover.

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  • #34593

    Those are awesome!  In fact, most of my friends love those costumes. It’s Tyroc’s origin that’s sketchy as hell.

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  • #34600

    Tyroc’s origin I think we’d all rather pretend never happened.

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  • #34603

    It’s Tyroc’s origin that’s sketchy as hell.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyroc#Publication_history

    Jim Shooter, who had been prevented from introducing black characters into the Legion in the 1960s,[2] objected to the characterization of Tyroc: “…I always wanted to have a character who was African-American, and years later, when they did that, they did it in the worst way possible….instead of just incidentally having a character who happens to be black…they made a big fuss about it. He’s a racial separatist….I just found it pathetic and appalling.”[3]

    According to Mike Grell, who co-created Tyroc with Cary Bates, the character of Tyroc was “sort of a sore spot with me.”[4] He had previously tried to introduce black characters into the series, but had been prevented by then-editor Murray Boltinoff.[5] “I kept getting stalled off…and finally comes Tyroc. They might as well have named him Tyrone. Their explanation for why there were no black people [in the Legion] was that all the black people had gone to live on an island. It’s possibly the most racist concept I’ve ever heard in my life…I mean, it’s a segregationist’s dream, right? So they named him Tyroc, and gave him the world’s stupidest super-power.”[6]

    Grell’s dislike of Tyroc was strong enough that he deliberately made him look ridiculous, saying, “I gave him a silly costume. It was somewhere between Elvis’ Las Vegas costume and something you would imagine a pimp on the street corner wearing.”[5]

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  • #35256

    DC Comics is dragged for misrepresenting ‘Blerd’ culture: ‘Words mean things’

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  • #35259

    Two Months Later, Retailers Struggle with the DC Split from Diamond

  • #35280

    DC Comics is dragged for misrepresenting ‘Blerd’ culture: ‘Words mean things’

    Seems like a bit over the top criticism? I mean, that the term is a portmenteau for “black nerd” is hopefully obvious to everyone, and DC interpreting it as being inclusive of other minorities as well is… I don’t know, is it something to get upset about? Especially given that blerd events themselves are inclusive especially to other ethnic minorities?

  • #35282

    DC Comics is dragged for misrepresenting ‘Blerd’ culture: ‘Words mean things’

    Seems like a bit over the top criticism? I mean, that the term is a portmenteau for “black nerd” is hopefully obvious to everyone, and DC interpreting it as being inclusive of other minorities as well is… I don’t know, is it something to get upset about? Especially given that blerd events themselves are inclusive especially to other ethnic minorities?

    I had the same thought reading that article. At worst it seems like DC marketing is using the term in a slightly cackhanded “how do you do, fellow kids?” kind of way.

    I can’t believe there’s truly a movement in the black geek community seeking to exclude other minorities from “black only” events, it seems pretty inclusive as you say.

  • #35494

    All nerds matter!

  • #35513

    is it something to get upset about?

    I am about as white as you can get but Hispanic nerds being called Blerds seems wrong.  Are you willing to tell Eduardo and JR that they are the same? What if someone came out with an Advertisement that said Welsh people were the same as Londoners and Scottish people were the same as Mancunians?

  • #35520

    is it something to get upset about?

    I am about as white as you can get but Hispanic nerds being called Blerds seems wrong.  Are you willing to tell Eduardo and JR that they are the same? What if someone came out with an Advertisement that said Welsh people were the same as Londoners and Scottish people were the same as Mancunians?

    It’s not about telling two different racial groups that they are the same, it’s about how narrowly you interpret ‘Blerd’ culture.

    The linked article even says itself that “in recent years, events like the Washington, D.C.-based BlerdCon have placed an emphasis on celebrating Black nerds, while also being inclusive of people of color and minority groups.” So it certainly seems as though the movement and people involved in it don’t see it as a strictly African-American only subset of fandom.

    I understand the argument that DC handled it in a cackhanded way and used some racist (or at least outdated and stereotypical) imagery in its promo, and I think that’s a fair point.

    But from what I can gather about ‘Blerd’ culture – on which I am admittedly far from an expert – it seems to reach farther than just a single narrowly-defined minority group, so DC’s description didn’t seem that unreasonable to me.

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  • #35578

    https://www.comicsbeat.com/layoffs-at-dc-expected-today-amid-restructuring-at-warner-bros/

     

    Sounds like there’s a Night of Long Knives going down at DC right now. BC has some names who are alleged to have been served their pink slips which should raise a few eyebrows.

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  • #35580

    What if someone came out with an Advertisement that said Welsh people were the same as Londoners and Scottish people were the same as Mancunians?

    Chill, whitey!

  • #35585

    The changes at DC look pretty serious. A LOT of rumours floating around rather than solid facts but among those are shuttering a lot of their output outside the Batman books and the Digital First line.

    Rob Liefeld observed last year that DC’s sales are pretty poor outside of any books with Batman in them. I took a look at the ICV2 charts and he wasn’t wrong, even the much heralded arrival of Bendis on the Superman line was getting very average performance, stuff from Marvel like Venom or Captain Marvel were outselling it.

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