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Well.
I think that was the most disappointed I’ve been in a Marvel Studios film in years. Maybe ever?
Not to say it’s the worst – it’s no Eternals. But I’m not sure it’s better than The Dark World.
Like the Dark World, this doubles down on elements from the previous film that worked (here, the off-beat humour) but ends up completely upsetting the balance. I loved Ragnarok. I watched it the other day and it totally holds up. It perfectly balances humour and drama, humanising Thor, allowing him to feel loss and growth without undermining him as a serious credible character.
Love and Thunder absolutely does not. The first twenty minutes or so are, well, shite. Entire scenes play out as though self-parody, especially those with the Guardians. Thor is presented as a buffoonish cartoon which makes it almost impossible to care when the film later tries to shove him into a dramatic role.
Remember Loki’s hammy play from Ragnarok? Entire stretches of this feel like that in tone. And I don’t even mean when that drama troupe gag is limply reprised for a new play.
This isn’t helped by the structure. Korg’s narration (as well as his role in the film) stretches the joke of that character beyond the point of being funny. It trivialises everything happening. Rewatching all the Thor films recently I was struck by how well the last few explore him having a nervous breakdown, essentially. And sure “fat Thor” is played for jokes, but on the whole it’s fairly sensitively done, especially the scene he has with Frigga in Endgame. All largely trashed here, where he’s just made into a self-involved boor. The great interplay promised between him and Star-Lord at the end of Endgame is completely absent in favour of… well, I’m not even sure what they were going for there.
Bale’s Gor is kind of all over the place, in the few scenes he gets. He oscillates between aggrieved villain and pretty much the Joker in one scene. Really disappointing.
Two post credit scenes – one teasing future stuff Brett Goldstein – Roy Fucking Kent off Ted Lasso – is Hercules and one giving some closure.
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That was a perfectly okay movie, and I’m disappointed it isn’t anything more.
The Guardians of the Galaxy opening didn’t work for me at all. The Guardians get nothing to do (aside from Pratt, I think most of them only get a single line each), and none of what they have to do is memorable. Pratt seems to have brought his Jurassic World persona back with him; Starlord here isn’t a character I want to see more of. I’d rather Thor just left them during the montage up top.
If Pratt is taking things too seriously, Hemsworth has the opposite problem. The movie sets up a serious villain with serious stakes, and Thor doesn’t seem to be taking it seriously at all. Especially in the first half of the movie, his wisecracking feels jarring given the circumstances.
Love Bale, and wish we’d seen more of Gor doing his God-killing up front. He gets to Asgard far too early, I wanted at least one more scene of him wiping out some Gods. Two movies in a row of “villain corrupted by malevolent forces due to grief over losing their children” is an unfortunate trend, as I assume it’s a coincidence. I’m guessing it’s just there for the Eternity scene, but it didn’t quite work for me. Still one of the better villains we’ve had.
Loved what we got of Valkyrie, but bringing up her lack of any relationship and then flat out refusing to give her anything even remotely resembling a love interest is bullshit. Even Korg gets a partner by the end of the movie, and Valkyrie doesn’t? Fuck that.
The Jane stuff worked, but could have used another scene or two up front of her discovering her Thor self, rather that scene of her explaining wormholes to the other patient, which I could easily do without. Loved the stuff with her and Valkyrie.
The Zeus scene was great; Loved Crowe hamming it up. The design of the citadel or whatever was boring though, they could have come up with something more interesting.
The music drops in this were all far too obvious. That’s fine for a trailer, but I expected more of from the actual movie. They seemed to have just typed “’80s Rock” into Spotify and put the top results into the movie.
That Axl kid, Heimdall’s son, was annoying, especially in his first scene. Thor arguing with him over his name is exactly the kind of jokiness I felt undercut the situation.
I didn’t need another Asgard play. Yes, it’s funny that this is Matt Damon’s MCU role. No, I don’t need the same jokes again.
Why did Simon Russell Beale have billing in this movie? Was he some part of the Zeus scene I missed?
Overall, not a bad movie, just not as good as it should have been. I’d rather Taika do something else rather than spend years on another of these.
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Why did Simon Russell Beale have billing in this movie? Was he some part of the Zeus scene I missed?
He was Dionysus, apparently. Can’t say I noticed him – I guess maybe he had lines cut from the discussions about orgies.
I didn’t like Crowe’s Zeus much. Far too silly in a film already groaning under the weight of its own silliness. If it was presented like that in contrast to more serious stuff, maybe, but it just felt largely like a narrative diversion.
I think saw a Shi’Ar god in the Omnipo…city? Omnipotencity? That is not a pun that worked well.
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Oh, according to imdb, Craglan’s wife was played by Brooke Satchwell – Anne off of Neighbours! I’ve not seen her in anything since, well, Neighbours.
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He was Dionysus, apparently. Can’t say I noticed him – I guess maybe he had lines cut from the discussions about orgies.
I checked a camera recording; he has one line, where he reacts to one of Zeus’s jokes with “Good one, dad!”
I hope he got paid well.
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I thought it was a bit of a mess in lots of ways.
The story was disjointed and felt more like a load of vaguely connected skits than a complete movie.
The early scenes with the Guardians felt like they existed just to explain away the setup from Endgame, which makes me wonder what the point of doing that was in the first place.
And it didn’t manage the tonal shifts in the way that Ragnarok did, meaning that serious story beats just didn’t land and felt constantly undermined by the slew of silly jokiness.
I don’t mind silliness and jokiness, but here it just took away from everything else and made it feel like nothing had stakes.
I also think the child death and cancer stuff was pretty heavy going for an MCU movie (and having just last week written a letter to a friend who is in the final stages of dying from cancer, this wasn’t the kind of escapism I needed) but it all came off even worse because it was in a film that treated everything else so lightly. It was tonal whiplash all the way through.
And ultimately, most of the humour (and cameos) fell pretty flat for me and the hit rate wasn’t anywhere near Ragnarok. Crowe was pretty awful I thought – a comedy Greek accent that was the type of thing that I would have thought went out of style decades ago.
The one high point was Bale, who turned in a fantastic performance and brought an underwritten character to life brilliantly. I wish he was in a better movie.
Having said all that, my son and his mate (both 9) loved it and thought it was tons of fun, and in many ways it feels like a movie that was dreamed up from a very childlike perspective, so perhaps in that sense it worked.
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The early scenes with the Guardians felt like they existed just to explain away the setup from Endgame, which makes me wonder what the point of doing that was in the first place.
GotG Vol. 3 was supposed to come out in 2020 or 2021, presumably featuring Thor, but Marvel fired Gunn, so he did The Suicide Squad first, and this movie was left to deal with it.
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I felt it was entertaining but on the lower end of MCU entertainment. Big parts TDW, small parts Ragnarok.
Definitely worth seeing it in the cinema, at least for me, just to get that MCU fix.
I imagine kids will love it, but they’ll love any shite.
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There were still lots of better ways of quickly showing Thor and the Guardians splitting up though.
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I do hope Hemsworth lands a good comedy gig at some point though, I’m not in love with broThor, but it’s very clear the guy has amazing comedic chops and timing… he was the only good thing about that Ghostbusters disaster after all (even though the jokes were not that great). But he probably needs to move away from the bro humour, considering he’s getting a bit old for that… I wouldn’t want him to become another Will Ferrel type of aging clown.
I’ve been saying he should do more comedy for years now. He keeps doing these bland, generic action movies that barely register on anyone’s radar. I think with the right script and director, he could have some big hit comedies. He was probably the best part of the female Ghostbusters movie.
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I saw it this morning and i feel like I’ve been trying to convince myself I enjoyed since then.
I feel like they wasted the Gorr and Mighty Thor storylines by putting them in the same film. Gorr never felt like a threat at all. I think we see the “god butcher” stab one god and then that’s it🤨. And I like Natalie Portman, but I don’t think she really pulls off the Mighty Thor role here. She’s fine as Jane Foster, but I don’t think the light comedy tone really works for her.
And I’ve never met Chris Hemsworth, but I believe I’d have more chemistry with the guy that Portman does. It was the same in the first two films and I think it kills the romantic plot a bit stone dead for me..If anything she actually bounced off Tessa Thompson a lot better. A buddy movie with them might have been more what I would have liked. Just take Thor off the table completely like the comics did.The pacing just felt a bit messy to me. I could have done without the “last time in the MCU” montages. Some of the comedy definitely hit. The screaming goats got me every time. But a lot of it felt forced and quite silly..I’m looking at you awful splits scene😬.
The one MCU film it really reminded me off was GOTG2. Which I think made the same mistake of doubling down of jokes and characters people liked from the first popular instalment, but it just coming off as forced and not quite as good second time around.
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I’ve been saying he should do more comedy for years now. He keeps doing these bland, generic action movies that barely register on anyone’s radar. I think with the right script and director, he could have some big hit comedies. He was probably the best part of the female Ghostbusters movie.
Or he could try to get a “Lethal Weapon” kind of movie… that way he can have the action and the comedy… a LW-type of franchise would be amazing for him, and I wouldn’t mind those type of movies making a come back either.
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Comedy is hard work, but I think Hemsworth’s major problem is not having a good script and/or director when he does it. Also, Mel Gibson had Danny Glover as the straight man. That’s important for a role.
https://www.cbr.com/thor-4-ties-doctor-strange-2-second-worst-mcu-cinemascore/
Cinemascore’s are interesting. I have seen some critics pointing out that the new phase of Marvel doesn’t seem to be going in a direction the way the first built up to Avengers and then Infinity War & Endgame. Honestly, it will be hard to move in a direction without becoming repetitious.
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I have seen some critics pointing out that the new phase of Marvel doesn’t seem to be going in a direction the way the first built up to Avengers and then Infinity War & Endgame. Honestly, it will be hard to move in a direction without becoming repetitious.
I disagree really. If you look at the first phase of Marvel that built up to Avengers, they had mostly pretty separate adventures but with some common elements that crossed over between a couple of the movies (like the tesseract), just as the idea of the multiverse underpins quite a few of the Phase Four movies and TV shows.
Assuming they are building up the next Thanos-level story (presumably around Kang, Doom and Hickman-Secret-Wars-style incursions) on a similar timeframe, I think the current pacing of Phase Four makes sense. You can’t start tying together plot points closely too early or there’s going to be a long period of treading water before the finale.
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Either way, I quite like that we have some of the pieces but the big picture isn’t 100% clear yet. That’s part of the fun of these larger stories gradually coming together.
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I heard someone on youtube (don’t remember who) make the observation that the problem with the MCU right now is that there are no strong figureheads around who everything is centered, like CapAm & IM in phases 1-3… I’m not sure that is THE issue right now, but it is an issue I suppose.
I’ve heard/read a ton of arguments for why the MCU seems to be in decline, but none of them really make too much sense… at least on their own… I think it’s just a combination a several factors… I’m sure the pandemic didn’t help, the fact that Feige hasn’t been as much “hands on” as before doesn’t help, the fact that Endgame really felt like an end doesnt help, the fact that they’re churning out more content than ever before doesn’t help, etc, etc…
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If the MCU is in decline (I’m not sure I entirely agree with that), I’d say the issues are mainly that they’re spreading themselves too thin (3 movies and 4 series a year is probably too much, although it worked ok when they had Marvel TV doing the Netflix shows, so ::shrug::) and Feige having a looser hand. Eternals was, at least according to the hype, a proper “auteur” being allowed to do an MCU film and so eschewed much of the “template” and was far worse off for it, while Love and Thunder feels like Feige – quite fairly – said to Waititi “Ragnarok was great, you know what you’re doing, I’ll leave you to”. Only for Waititi and Hemsworth to allow self-indulgence to get in the way of making a good movie.
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Too silly for me. Some of it worked in the last Thor movie when they took on the sister and Asgard was destroyed. But this one…
Natalie Portman as Jane deserved better.
And: Why not have the Stark Industries Lab give Sif a cybernetic arm prosthetic?
Surprised at seeing Russell Crowe like that. Would have been nice to have seen both Olympus and Asgard interact with some Crowe and Hopkins together, but showing Olympus now is too little, too late.
Zeus’ revenge: His son Hercules (Brett Goldstein from Ted Lasso)
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True – the first Thor decided to go with dumb and predictable and it didn’t really land very well.
I quite like the first one, especially after revisiting it not that long ago – I think it’s pretty underrated among the Marvel movies. I like that it leans so far into being a full-on fantasy film and that Branagh takes it all seriously and plays it pretty sincerely.
I feel like moving Thor more fully into the MCU (from Avengers onwards) diluted that a bit, and obviously Ragnarok got a lot of mileage by pushing back against that more sincere take – but I still think the first movie works well on its own terms.
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I think it’s pretty underrated among the Marvel movies.
It’s really not bad… but I can’t watch it anymore… Hemsworth looks REALLY bad in that movie… whoever decided on the bleached facial hair needs to go.
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Thor Love and Thunder simplistic review(sarcasm engaged)- Lets take a great storyline by Jason Aaron & add 2 Academy Award winners just to make a road trip comedy with the Director and his best friend. We’ll toss in everybody’s kids to make it really Family Friendly.
I went. I liked it. I felt something missing. I watched You Tube videos(i know
). I got upset.Gist of videos- Waititi made 4 hours of film, cut it down to 2, dumped much of Bale’s work to make it family friendly. He also cut character bits from Tessa Thompson and Natalie Portman so that we are left to assume they have bonded as friends after Natalie breaks a sink and Tessa says I got your back. The Necrosword does some heavy lifting because they cut much of Gorr’s butchery out of the film so again we are left to assume that the sword actually does kill gods and is the big, bad ooga booga that they say it is.
Meanwhile, we get Korg as an unreliable narrator and sidekick. He even serves to create pathos with his death(body dies, mouth lives on(unfortunately)).
I’m gonna stop now because I’m just piling on.
in many ways it feels like a movie that was dreamed up from a very childlike perspective,
That has been mentioned a fair number of times on the internet.
It was good but I believe this should have been a tentpole for Phase 5(?) and it wasn’t. the mild disappointment is compounded by huge expectations.
p.s. I wonder whose idea it was to make this so blatantly family friendly, Taika or Disney? I hope it was the former(it has to be, right?)
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Yeah, Hela killed several Asgardians with blades she summoned out her butt (IIRC) and didn’t give it some fancy name and terror.
She was the Godess of Death though, I think that kinda gives her the power to kill indiscriminately.
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And yet the cringy scene where Valkyrie holds up a portable speaker so her and Jane can nod their heads to the music made the final cut?!?😬.
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I saw this and it is what it is… A lot of MCU movies will contradict earlier
situations in previous movies. Like in Star Trek and other shows.
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It is weird, but the comics have had these problems as well.
the first movie was enjoyable but I didn’t think it took a serious approach so it was fun. However, the Asgardians were clearly ancient aliens with a combination of magic and technology behind their powers. Magitech.
Ragnarok threw that into question as it seems like there is something essentially different about being a god vs an advanced alien species. And Thanos being a Titan is even stranger. A race before the gods maybe, but he didn’t seem to have magical powers.
They are kinda making it up as they go along and throwing in elements from the comics – mostly Kirby – to make it interesting. But not entirely cohesive and still aimed at general audiences.
as long as it makes money, that is all they need to do.
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as long as it makes money, that is all they need to do.
Ding ding ding ding ding!
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True. I think the success of the MCU is because it doesn’t really make sense or get too dramatic. I have watched many shonen anime made for little kids that have leagues more depth, complexity, cohesiveness and character conflict than The Avengers, but they are in the same category a lot of the time.
In a lot of ways, Marvel movies are essentially the imaginative “make it up as you go” fantasies of a bunch of little kids playing around in their underwear in the backyard…plus $200 million dollars.
Imagine you’re a little kid, the backyard is the Milky Way galaxy in your imagination and your 4-foot-nothing friend is pretending to be a ten-foot tall walking talking fern tree from Alpha Centauri and your co-pilot for your journey from one side of the galaxy to the other to fight a race of giant, intelligent bees. If some adult came along and started criticizing your imaginary ship for not taking into account relativistic time dilation, or that plants can’t move like people without some sort of muscular structure or that even if your ship could travel close to the speed of light, it would take you a thousand years to get to the other side — you’d have to say they are not getting the point.
If the movies tried to be taken seriously in a critical sense, they are just asking for trouble.
I also think Waititi’s writing and directing leans in that direction as well – though his independent work is more sophisticated in some ways. Reminds me a bit of Verhoeven’s approach in his big SF films – though Verhoeven’s had more graphic violence but about the same number of one-liners.
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Haven’t seen the movie yet, but all this Eternity talk pisses me off already… forget about how it makes a lot of past things contrived, moot and stupid… where the fuck did this whole “Eternity grants wishes” dumbfuckery come from?? Eternity is not a genie… =/
Do they at least show Eternity like in the CBs?
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Haven’t seen the movie yet, but all this Eternity talk pisses me off already… forget about how it makes a lot of past things contrived, moot and stupid… where the fuck did this whole “Eternity grants wishes” dumbfuckery come from?? Eternity is not a genie… =/
The MCU version is a little different than the comics, clearly.
Do they at least show Eternity like in the CBs?
Yes, I could only find a pic from a cam version but this is how Eternity appears towards the end of the movie.
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Only joking. Actually the way Eternity appears in the movie is pretty faithful to the visuals of the comics. This is a real shot from the movie:
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Oh well, at least it’s visually accurate… but yeah, the wish granting thing is fuckin’ stupid… didn’t they learn anything from WW84?
Can’t wait until they use the Living Tribunal as a dumb plot device too… u_u
On the one hand, being a massive fan of it, I’m glad they’re using the cosmic mythology side of the marvel universe… but I really wish they’d do something more cool with it than just dumb plot devices.
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Oh well, at least it’s visually accurate… but yeah, the wish granting thing is fuckin’ stupid… didn’t they learn anything from WW84?
Can’t wait until they use the Living Tribunal as a dumb plot device too… u_u
On the one hand, being a massive fan of it, I’m glad they’re using the cosmic mythology side of the marvel universe… but I really wish they’d do something more cool with it than just dumb plot devices.
However, that will tend to show up more often with Deus Ex Machina syndrome setting in like it did in Fantastic Beasts series.
I think Marvel’s current big challenge or misstep has been to not really answer the question “why does it matter?” Or why should we care what happens? There is too much of a sense that no matter how high the stakes, personal investment is missing.
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Well, we thought it was fun, but not one of the top-tier Marvel movies. The jokes were definitely overdone — I like humour in Marvel movies, but this was too much.
Visually stunning, though. The scenes in the shadow universe were beautiful.
Soundtrack… ehhh. Guns N Roses is obviously going to be a come-down after Led Zeppelin. Luckily, for those of us who stayed through the end credits, we were rewarded by a real singer (Ronnie James Dio) after suffering a movie full of Axl Rose.
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Soundtrack… ehhh. Guns N Roses is obviously going to be a come-down after Led Zeppelin. Luckily, for those of us who stayed through the end credits, we were rewarded by a real singer (Ronnie James Dio) after suffering a movie full of Axl Rose.
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So in terms of killed super-Asgardians, we have Loki (killed by someone with Infinity stones), Hela (killed by the biggest monster in the universe, who it has been foretold will kill gods), Heimdal (Thanos again), Frigga (killed by a Dark Elf with an apparently ordinary weapon, so that one’s dubious). Is that all? I think so.
Odin, killed by not giving a shit any more.
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Yeah, I was disappointed with this one because I had very high expectations after Ragnarök. This time, it all just didn’t come together well.
– A lot of the comedy worked well for me and I did laugh a lot during the movie. Also a lot of times though, it didn’t land and just felt too silly, like too close to Mel Brooks territory or something (Zeus flicking Thor’s clothes, that kind of thing).
– The mixture of comedy and serious superhero plot didn’t come together well; it often just felt jarring. I mean, cancer!
– One drawback compared to Ragnarök was that the Thor/Loki/Hulk combination was just such a lot of fun. Valkyrie and Jane just aren’t as strong characters.
– Some of the visuals were amazing; loved the black and white bits.
– A lot of the serious plot was just very convenient and/or underwritten.
So… I don’t know how to rank this compared to other Marvel movies. I was fine with having watched it in the theatre, and I feel like it might be fun to re-watch it again some day. But it still feels like a bit of a disappointment.
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Ugh this was really bad…
It had its moments though, the sequence in the shadow sphere (?) was pretty good, visually interesting and creative. Some bits at the end worked well enough, even if un-earned, and Bale did the best he could I guess…
But fuck it’s so choke-full of idiotic jokes… the plot is contrived as fuck and doesn’t really make sense, in fact, nothing makes sense, because the “plot” is just an excuse to tell jokes (except for the few well made dramatic moments which feel sooo disjointed from the rest of the movie).
This could’ve been a great movie, but it’s just a self-indulgent mess, that’s a good word, self-indulgent as fuck.
So yeah, even though there are some good elements and moments, I just can’t say this is good or even decent, no, it’s just a mess of a comedy skit pretending to be a movie. This was REALLY disappointing… in a trend of ever icnreasing disappointments, so not surprising at least
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So… I don’t know how to rank this compared to other Marvel movies. I was fine with having watched it in the theatre, and I feel like it might be fun to re-watch it again some day. But it still feels like a bit of a disappointment.
I tend to agree. I loved Ragnarok, it is probably my favourite MCU film. I think Waititi here took the comedy too far. It lacked an emotional core because it was looking for quick laughs too much. Bale’s performance as Gorr had the potential to be properly chilling but just winked to the camera one time too many. Crowe as a Greek kebab shop owner Zeus could work against a more stoic backdrop but everyone is hamming it up in those scenes.
Ironically I thought the very end credits scene of Jane meeting Heimdall in Valhalla, which in recent years is often a throwaway gag hardly worth waiting for, was the most moving scene in the film.
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I broadly agree with what people are saying here – there’s a core of a decent movie here, I especially like that it’s mostly standalone and doesn’t lead into anything else or require much prior viewing, the central plot is decent, the characters are well-rounded and charming and fun to watch. The action is pretty decent even as it descends into CGI blobbery at points and I’m so glad Marvel seems to be veering away from hordes of guys running at each other for the big battle. But Dear Bob, the jokes. There’s an annoying tendency with media franchises to lean heavily into a thing people like from the prior installment and overcompensate as a result. Here it’s laconic Kiwis and gag humour. For every gag that hits, there’s three or four that feel like too much – Like Russel Crowe’s Kebab-shop owner is fine, or him daintily raising his hem as he walks down the steps is fine on their own, but together with all the other jokes in that scene, and most other scenes really makes the film feel like an attempt to do Airplane but with superheroes, and it detracts a bit too much from the serious story while not being funny enough to just be a broad comedy.
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For every gag that hits, there’s three or four that feel like too much – Like Russel Crowe’s Kebab-shop owner is fine, or him daintily raising his hem as he walks down the steps is fine on their own, but together with all the other jokes in that scene, and most other scenes really makes the film feel like an attempt to do Airplane but with superheroes, and it detracts a bit too much from the serious story while not being funny enough to just be a broad comedy.
Yup. I admit I still enjoyed it but that approach weakened it.
From Iron Man onwards humour has always been a part of the MCU but there it was always a nod to puncture any pomposity. The Airplane comparison is fair because the nature of those films is cram in as many gags as possible. Korg was really funny in Ragnarok as the laconic take contrasted with the high stakes, here it gets drowned out by everyone playing for laughs. Waititi had the balance right in Ragnarok and lost it here.
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Okay, maybe Waititi (or Fiege) wanted a stand-alone Thor film for Phase 4; but if that was the case, why bother with the GOTG extended cameo at the start of the film?
Well, that was due to how things were left at the end of Endgame. And as Paul reminded me earlier, the GotG/Thor stuff was probably intended to flow from Endgame into GotG3 – but then when Gunn was fired and GotG3 was put on hold, they ended up having to address it in Thor 4 somehow instead.
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What was surprising and out of place was the storyline of Jane having stage 4 cancer in the movie.
On the contrary, I thought this was a credible explanation for why Jane would readily give up her career to become a Thor. Waititi often mixes his off-center sense of humor with serious/tragic moments (like when the title character in JoJo Rabbit finds his mother in the town square).
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Okay, maybe Waititi (or Fiege) wanted a stand-alone Thor film for Phase 4; but if that was the case, why bother with the GOTG extended cameo at the start of the film?
Well, that was due to how things were left at the end of Endgame. And as Paul reminded me earlier, the GotG/Thor stuff was probably intended to flow from Endgame into GotG3 – but then when Gunn was fired and GotG3 was put on hold, they ended up having to address it in Thor 4 somehow instead.
All that needed was one line from Thor to dismiss it, not a 10-minute slapstick battle. Those 10 minutes could have been spent building up the villain properly.
Though to be honest, it was worth it for the goats. The goats were literally the best thing in the whole movie.
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Though to be honest, it was worth it for the goats. The goats were literally the best thing in the whole movie.
That joke fell flat for me the first time, so you can imagine how much I was enjoying it the 19th time.
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That joke fell flat for me the first time, so you can imagine how much I was enjoying it the 19th time.
I am completely with David on the goats thing. David M, that is. The goats are awesome.
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The goats were great. I would like an edit of Endgame to replace “on your left” with their screeching.
Still, having finally caught up with this, I have to agree with the consensus that it was a letdown. To use a GNR allegory, if Ragnarok was Appetite For Destruction then this was Use Your Illusion – some fun stuff in there but overall too bloated and uneven to hold up. A prime example of a movie in dire need of better editing.
It also has to be the most lighthearted depiction of stage 4 cancer in a movie. Apparently it just involves looking hungover and having a bit of a lie down while your mates bring you snacks. Right then.
Was there some contractual obligation with Natalie Portman that needed to be fulfilled? I have no idea why they brought her back as her and Hemsworth, again, have zero chemistry together. I rather liked the idea that the characters decided they just didn’t work together and went their separate ways without some huge drama. It seemed like a rather more mature take on things and yet here they went right back to trying to push the star-crossed lovers gimmick again and it didn’t work again.
Agreed on the points noted above about MCU canon starting to fold in upon itself. It seems highly likely that these multiversal phases will culminate in some sort of reboot that streamlines things, so we’ll see if that gets over with the audience or not. They could handwave away Eternity as a being that could just pull things from elsewhere in the multiverse rather than just granting wishes, which would leave Bale’s kid’s presence as another factor in the multiverse collapsing.
That post-credits scene, though…
Welcome to the afterlife! No, it has nothing to do with your own beliefs. No, you won’t be able to see your own friends and family. Yes, your eternity will be defined by the beliefs of that bloke you dated for a year or so. Now, come on a hillwalk on an overcast day with me and if we’re lucky we’ll get to find some drunk vikings having an orgy!
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Given this thread, which I’ve just scrolled through, I was expecting this to be a wall to wall comedy flick. Surprisingly, it wasn’t.
It is a weird mix of light and serious, often jumping from one to the other fast. Yet, clowns rarely tend to be happy and comedy is serious business.
It worked well enough for me. The bigger surprise for me was Gorr. Bale renders him as a far more sympathetic yet still shadow weaponry using bastard. The final resolution wouldn’t have worked without him.
Superhero cinema – and by extension, TV and comics – I tend to view as entertainment fast food. This qualified. A fun two hour meal
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