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X-Men – Inferno and beyond
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For all that I’m planning on nabbing Hickman’s volumes, the positive chatter here has been far more around Duggan and Percy’s work, probably a coupke of others too.
This is why I’m relatively positive about the news. I’ve been reading the entire line and in truth Hickman’s not really been writing a lot of it. While the highest points are his, parts of it like the Arrako stuff I find a bit repetitive of his previous work and a bit flat as a result.
I’ve mainly enjoyed writers like Duggan and Percy playing in this setup he created.
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https://ew.com/books/x-lives-of-wolverine-x-deaths-of-wolverine-comic-benjamin-percy-interview/
It is a fascinating article on Percy’s take on Wolverine.
“Though Logan has been starring in his own solo Wolverine comic (written by Benjamin Percy with art by Adam Kubert and others) and playing a major role on the Krakoan black ops team in X-Force (also written by Percy with art by Joshua Cassara), he’s also been trying to keep the island at arm’s length.”
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I really like Percy’s Wolverine. A lot of that has to do with Adam Kubert (and Viktor Bogdanovic), of course, but Percy has managed to do what few others have before him – make Logan relatable. It’s the palpable world weariness that he inhibits the character with, I think. I’m in for this event, although I hope that it doesn’t mean his tenure on the solo book is coming to an end.
I haven’t tried Percy’s X-Force yet, as the CIA team concept has been overdone recently and holds little appeal. Maybe I should rectify that if things are coming to a head in January.
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I have, it’s a fun story but probably because it is MU exclusive it isn’t an essential read to follow the overall story. It would be very difficult to translate to print, albeit not impossible, because it uses a lot of ‘scroll down’ techniques in the art to present depth. It would have to be heavily edited to fit a print comics page.
I do think it (and a lot of other MU exclusive stories coming every week) suggest Marvel are now seeing Marvel Unlimited as their preferred business model. I get that because comics have always preferred a subscription model for certainty of income, even back in the 1980s you got a massive discount in US for mail order subs. As a British reader where it wasn’t available I looked on in envy at the near half price comics you could get.
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Eh? Duggan’s Marauders is ending?
What’s Gillen going to be on?
Edit – Ah, Duggan ends his run at #27, a good point for OHC2 – not sure about Orlando taking over.
And for Gillen, it’s too early to know
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I read via Marvel Unlimited so since it is fixed price I read them all.
Can’t disagree Tini Howard’s books are the worst. It’s all very sketchy storytelling. There are crumbs of the odd good idea in there but it all seems very random.
If Gillen is onboard I’d be very happy, his Eternals right now is very good and he’s the only writer who properly writes Pixie as Welsh.
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I quit X Force. Started well, but feels really pedestrian
you are probably right. I think I am sticking around just to see what happens with Beast. I wonder if it is Canon now that Beast is too smart for his own good.
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I find it interesting that because the books are so thematically tied around the Krakoa concept it doesn’t really seem a big deal when a few of the books wind up. It’s like that story’s told, here’s another viewpoint.
It seems to be leaked that Spurrier and Gillen are on a couple of the books, Ewing to maybe along with the work Percy and Duggan are doing is pretty sound as a lineup.
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Gillen’s book is called Immortal X-Men
https://www.cbr.com/immortal-xmen-new-marvel-series-2022-gillen-werneck/
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I recently re- subscribed to Marvel Unlimited, and have started catching up with some of the other Krakoa era titles I skipped initially.
Marauders and X-Force are both fine books. Really enjoyable, and I feel additive to the overall experience.
I’m struggling with Excalibur though. I don’t want to bash Howard as this is my first real experience with her work, but it’s just a difficult read. Coupled with less affection for the characters, I don’t see me sticking with this for long. I’m on #4 right now. Is it worth my doing so, anyone?
What else is worth picking up? I read the Hickman stuff and Percy’s Wolverine run as it was published.
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Excalibur is probably the weakest of the titles that stuck around from the launch. There’s a few genuinely interesting moments but the execution is off.
There’s been a lot of decent but short-lived series that just seem to be around long enough to set something up – like X-Factor leads right into Trial of Magneto, Way of X is setting up some new team book, and SWORD is finishing up soon and presumably will have a successor too.
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I read through Marvel Unlimited too, I read them all really as they get released but rather grudgingly with Excalibur.
Funnily enough Howard also writes X-Corp and I find that fine. Excalibur is just messy and also has some really cliched takes on characters and concepts I like a lot.
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I don’t want to bash Howard
I am more than happy to for you but it has all been said. She was given a prime title and several popular x men but she failed miserably and I am hoping and praying for the day she leaves the title.
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What gets me is they have Ewing and Spurrier (and soon to be Gillen I believe) on the X-books. We would have had a chance at Excalibur being written by a Brit so not full of all the twee Arthurian bullshit that Alan Moore specifically wrote out of the Captain Britain mythos 30 years ago.
American writers (bar Chris Claremont, who I know is British born but raised in New York) can’t resist always going back to that stuff in the book. Famously after Michael Higgins wrote an Excalibur book with Merlin back in beard and robes Alan Davis immediately wrote it out of continuity when he returned as writer/artist with withering distain.
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I don’t want to bash Howard as this is my first real experience with her work
Her Death’s Head was shit too, so I wouldn’t worry about trying to be fair to her.
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They do seem to be omnibus / OHC issuing for the major stuff but the pattern is pretty random as to what and when.
If you go that route, there will be missing pieces.
It’s known that Hickman wanted to render the entire X-line as digital only. Marvel refused but you can see that intent through it all clearly. More than any other story I can think of, it’s aimed at digital only.
I probably would have paid for a yearly of house-of-X subscription that covered the lot at a reasonable price. An App-of-X to read it on would have been perfect.
A challenge though, when they moved marvel unlimited to only be 3 months behind though.
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I managed to find this link here of the listing:
Also:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawn_of_X
Quite a lot!
I just read House of… and Powers of …
Then I hear about Proteus being resurrected, Moira gets Destiny back which is apparently against Krakoan law…
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See… The X titles have historically been about mutants as outsiders in society, viewed as a major threat, Xavier wanting to go Kumbaya, Magneto’s opposing vision, etc.Hickman just changed it all and made it quite interesting. I want in!
I was always a HUGE fan of Claremont with Byrne. Now, I opened up to Claremont’s material after Byrne, admittedly the 90s weren’t that great, then Morrison’s run, and now Hickman.
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I was always a HUGE fan of Claremont with Byrne. Now, I opened up to Claremont’s material after Byrne, admittedly the 90s weren’t that great, then Morrison’s run, and now Hickman.
Did you ever read Whedon and Cassaday’s run Al? That’s quite an enjoyable stint that builds off some of the previous runs you mentioned and has some great art.
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Did you ever read Whedon and Cassaday’s run Al? That’s quite an enjoyable stint that builds off some of the previous runs you mentioned and has some great art.
Yes I have. He used Kitty Pryde very well in his run.
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Marvel unlimited could make it easy and cheap
If you want hardcovers – these 5 should cover it
- House/powers of X
- X-of-swords
- Hellfire gala
- Hickman x-men omnibus
- Inferno
Softbacks… ?
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Mother Righteous is Marvel’s next big character, but she isn’t a hero or a villain
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X Lives/ X Deaths of Wolverine was weird. The stories complement each other, but unlike House of/ Powers of X they don’t really tell one story, so technically can be read separately.
Of the two, I found Lives more compelling. A time travelling story, by the X- Force creative team of Percy & Cassara it feels like a genuine continuation of Percy’s work on the mutant books to date.
Deaths was, for me, a bit of a misfire. It’s actually a pseudo- sequel to Hickman’s Inferno, featuring the next stage in the evolution of Moira, dressed up as a time travelling story of a future Wolverine coming back to the past to change the world. It’s alright, but I’m finding it difficult to swallow the continued changes to Moira’s character, positioning her as some uber- villain seems misplaced.
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I agree Vikram, I didn’t like the direction of the Moira story. It also seemed strange Percy was taking that on in a Wolverine book when I was seeing Duggan now as the main X-scribe. Will have to see how it progresses with the new launch.
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I have to give credit to Hickman for his work in putting the X-titles in this new setting.
While I didn’t read everything I did catch up reading the summary links and YouTube videos.I only trusted Claremont, but now I also trust Hickman and a few others in furthering the
overall storyline. With this Krakoa Utopia, the team and mutant enemies have called a truce,
there are enemy organizations like this Orchis, a serious Nimrod upgrade… the Krakoa politics
of these ruling councils and voting does start to wear on the reader. I liked it that the previous
main Xmen like Cyclops, Wolverine, Jean, aren’t really at the front.
Even the Phoenix Force is gone and now with the Avengers. I like the whole Moira situation,
Mystique getting back a young Destiny, Emma Frost, the other mutant island back from another dimension.Hickman left for now, and I hope the successors can do nice things to further all this. This Judgement
Day epic has been Ok so far (think of Pearl Harbor and 9/11), granted you should really stick to the main
issues and not get all 25+ issues on it.Years ago, when the X titles got repetitive with all these crossover epics, I let an epic finish up, and
before another storyline started, took a nice clean break from the X titles. Now that it looks promising again,
I am back … for now.I don’t know when or how they will end Krakoa, but I like it and hope it continues to exist for another few years
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Marvel Teases Major X-Men News Next Week – ComicBook.com
Marvel is teasing some major news regarding the next era of X-Men comics. When Marvel relaunched the X-Men franchise under the guidance of Jonathan Hickman in 2019, it came under the “Dawn of X” banner. All-new series launched in Dawn of X, including X-Men, Marauders, Excalibur, New Mutants, and X-Force. Dawn of X was followed by Reign of X and Destiny of X, each serving as a reset for the X-Men line to shuffle titles, creative teams, and rosters. We’re currently in the age of Destiny of X, but next year will reveal what’s next for Marvel’s mutants.
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Hmmm, makes me think of Age of Apocalypse…
X-Men crossover event ‘Sins of Sinister’
Quiet Council member Mister Sinister is about to get everything he ever dreamed of in an upcoming X-Men crossover. Last week, Marvel teased some major news regarding the next era of X-Men comics. The cryptic teaser was short on details. However, it had the letters “S.O.S.” in its center along with the month of January 2023. We now know the S.O.S. stands for “Sins of Sinister,” a crossover planned for next year and centered on Nathaniel Essex reshaping the world in his image, somehow. No other details are provided, though some healthy speculation has never stopped us before.
The marketing materials from Marvel state, “A New World. A New Disaster. Mister Sinister’s plans come to fruition beyond his wildest dreams…AND his darkest nightmares. Can the X-Men survive the experience? Can anyone? Discover how twisted mutantkind becomes when Mister Sinister achieves victory in SINS OF SINISTER, a new crossover coming to the X-Men.” We’re also told that “This Is the Future Sinister Wants.” The teaser art has the new “Sins of Sinister” logo in its center, with the design somewhat creating an X logo between the white and black background.
Mister Sinister has been one of the central characters in Kieron Gillen and Lucas Werneck’s Immortal X-Men. The first issue revealed how Mister Sinister has been creating and hiding clones of Moira MacTaggert in order to test drive possible realities using her mutant power of reincarnation. Of course, there’s no way this will work out in favor of the X-Men, but it may become a successful experiment by Mister Sinister. “Sins of Sinister” would be the most likely outcome of the villain’s latest scheming.
Immortal X-Men #3 and X-Men #12 featured some of the threats Mister Sinister poses for not only the X-Men, but the larger Marvel Universe. Destiny, who has the power to see possible futures, witnessed a future codenamed “The Expanse,” which finds a Phoenix-powered Exodus chasing Mister Sinister, aka Gene-Corsair, through space. Mister Sinister is apparently responsible for the fall of Krakoa, and Exodus punishes Sinister by literally devouring him. Before he’s eaten, Sinister gloats about doing away with the timeline. Destiny’s vision goes black after Sinister’s death, which she realizes means his death triggered the end of the timeline.
X-Men #12 had an entirely different Sinister subplot for our heroes to deal with. Cyclops and his X-Men had been investigating a new villain named Dr. Stasis, who is working with the anti-mutant organization Orchis. The previous issue finally unmasked Dr. Statis, revealing him to be Mister Sinister all along – at least, a possible clone of Mister Sinister. It’s becoming harder and harder to know what the truth is when dealing with the character.
To his credit, Dr. Stasis claimed he is the one true Nathaniel Essex. He told Cyclops, “That strutting monstrosity is just a failed experiment that polluted themselves with your vile genes!” Readers learned back during the House of X/Powers of X era that Sinister has Thunderbird’s DNA, which the recently revived mutant will probably have a problem with at some point in the future.
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Reading the Judgement Day 3 today:
No review, no spoiler, but personally… The turn in the story
right now is just not getting to me. I will still get to the main titles
but I am hoping that the revenge/strike back issues will be the
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Some of these podcasts….
My favorite is Jay and Miles. Those two review early and 90s X titles and are
so funny commenting on costume design, diaogue, character development. One of the
latest podcasts has an interview with Hickman.There are a few others that I say mimic them. One is the X Wife with this couple
reviewing the lastest X-Titles. The “wife” commented on the Krakoan resurrection
artwork about how they come back naked, nudity conveniently obstructed, all chiseled, wet,
slimy… almost like the old slow motion Baywatch show where they come up out of the
water!A few addressed the politics and social commentary. Arrako was said to be mutants of
color etc. the council politics, intrigue. Some stuff about why Xavier recruited the all
white suburban looking original 5 to be palatable to the public, instead of having dealings
with the Morlocks. Was Magneto right? And on and on…Crazy….I never saw much of the Xmen cartoon from the 90s, but all the online talk now is some
animation scene screenshot of Rogue falling down in front of Apocalypse.So many podcasts… So little time.
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Oh yeah, 15 Omnibuses then + one OHC.
Although, it’s been suggested Marvel would bundle a reprint of X-Tinction Agenda with Days of Future Present so whacking it up to an Omnibus volume.
So not quite there yet, but Marvel will probably do it at some point.
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I don’t particularly like Days of Future Present or X-tinction Agenda, to be honest, but my completist tendencies would kick in and demand that I buy such an Omnibus if they choose to do so.
It wouldn’t be a total write off. The Art Adams and Jim Lee artwork in both stories is gorgeous stuff. Just there’s so little of it to really justify the price of admission.
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I’ve been reading through the last couple of years of X-titles on Marvel Unlimited, since starting my subscription earlier in the year. I’m just about to hit the Hellfire Gala event.
As these books were originally coming out I only picked up the Hickman written stuff (and Percy’s Wolverine).
Not every book is to my taste. Really enjoyed Marauders but find Cable a chore, for example. But, I’m pretty generally amazed at how well these books fit together overall and complement each other. I’m finding myself enjoying this era far more as a family of books than I did as a Hickman solo series.
Marauders and X-Force have been consistently excellent.
Of the newer books, Zeb Wells’ Hellions has been a fun surprise – a cast of characters I had no interest in at all, but a dark and funny title.
S.W.O.R.D.’s debut issue was fantastic but then it got dragged into the King In Black crossover (which I haven’t read yet) and lost me. Hopefully it will return to form after this.
And, finally, Spurrier’s Way of X was just flat out brilliant with a really thought provoking take on the theological implications of the mutant protocols. Impressive stuff.
This is a line of titles written by Hickman, Percy, Duggan, Ewing, Wells, Spurrier, and others. That’s a pretty phenomenal creative roster. I struggle to think of a more impressive creative line up from my decades of reading comic books. Under appreciated I think given few people could afford to read all of these books as they were being published.
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Hmm, looking at the set of writers Marvel has X-books, yeah, they can deliver just fine.
Hickman chose to leave. The way you’ve presented that interview Al sounds like sour grapes on his part.
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Of the newer books, Zeb Wells’ Hellions has been a fun surprise – a cast of characters I had no interest in at all, but a dark and funny title.
I’ll take this recommendation and put it right at the top of my to-steal pile.
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Super happy about that.
I know people wanted the X-Factor books too, which would have been nice but a bit weird seeing as it’s an Uncanny X-Men Omnibus series. Longshot is already a weird inclusion, I feel.
But, I can make my peace with the missing X-Factor books. For me the biggest attraction of that series (before Peter David took over) was the Walt Simonson artwork. We already got his entire run in the Mutant Massacre through Inferno Omnis. Nice to have all of that in oversized format alongside his Thor and Orion books.
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News from Near Mint Condition:
Uncanny X-Men Omnibus 5 will now include New Mutants Annual 2 and Uncanny X-Men Annual 10.
Great news, but can they get Kang to make the first 8 issues of X-factor never happen?
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I bought all the New Mutant Classic TPBs that reprinted Claremont’s run as they came out, so skipped the Omnibuses.
I haven’t read them yet because I have been “super trade waiting” the Claremont era of X-books. I’m planning on reading the entire run from beginning to end once I have Uncanny Vol 5 on my shelf.
I don’t have Classic X-Men. I think that’s all I’m missing in Omnibus and/ or trade once Vol 5 comes out.
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I expected this Judgement Day story to be a strategic war between the two factions.
There are battles, but instead we mostly get these soul searching visions that all
major Marvel characters have to experience.Almost like Star Trek 5…🤣🤣🤣
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Last page surprises.
The current stories are supposedly taking place in the last 24 hours of… you know.
Nimrod is like this brick wall: No matter what, every mutant dies He is Death
Almost like Marvel’s answer to AmazoWhat have they done to Moira McTaggert?
I like the Synergy of combining abilities together. There was a panel of Shaw and Bishop combining their abilities.
Creative.This Mars mutant Isca has a mutant power where she always wins. How does that work? She can easily (and has been) tricked to switch sides and make someone win. Very confusing, and Longshot did it better with his luck powers.
X titles data pages better than thought bubbles. Hands down.
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Nimrod is like this brick wall No matter what every mutant dies He is Death
To be fair that’s the way he always was.
Nimrod learnt after fighting the X-Men first time to counter Nightcrawler teleporting his body parts in his return. Harry Leland died defeating him the second time but even though he was smashed into a million pieces he wasn’t beaten fully. In those original stories the fact that he had to be melded into a human consciousness stopped him killing all the mutants.
This version does not have that weakness. He’s an Omega level villain, I think clearly inspired by The Fury from Alan Moore’s Captain Britain (which CC couldn’t use at the time as there were copyright disputes later cleared, he wanted to use Jaspers and The Fury). The Fury was also presented as unbeatable, weakened when sent back in time/across dimensions but built himself back up to strength.
Considering X-Men comics will surely want to continue there are really three endgames possible here. Firstly as in the CB original he faces off against another omega level crazy power that in that case could alter reality, secondly he gets a conscience as per the X-Men follow up or thirdly is the War of the Worlds/ Independence Day viral weakness.
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If there’s anything really sensitive you can always spoiler-tag it like this by putting (spoiler)and(/spoiler) either side, but with square brackets.
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Al-x, the thing is this: as long as you and thousands of other Marvel fans continue to buy these repetitive crossover and “event” storylines which pretend to change the status quo, only to restore everything to normal a month later, Marvel is going to continue to publish this stuff. And so will DC, for however long they remain in business. If you want something different, you need to start supporting other publishers that are willing to tell stories that have long term consequences.
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Oh I understand…
The Big Two are what they are and the editors won’t allow any real changes.
Of course with Marvel, there have been stories of time travel/change the past that alter the 616 timeline,
but the end of the arc the 616 is all restored.As for DC, I am still waiting for Alfred to come back and serve Bruce again. Only a matter of time. 🤣
What is it every 10 years the DCU reboots. Barbara walks again, etc…We have covered all this in the storytelling thread where a Marvel/DC creator can only do so much within a given run and then has to put everything back for the next writer.
And I did get into Matt Wagner’s “Grendel” stories
from Dark Horse for a while…—————
Now that I came back to the X titles, there are a few new names I have to read up on in those X men sites
Abigail Brand
Synch
Sage
X-23
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Er, Al, about Alfred in Batman….
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It’s an interesting clash for me. My major frustration with Marvel, maybe from Civil War onwards when they returned to ‘events’ is nothing ever settled as a status quo. Ewing did several fringe Avengers books where as soon as the concept started being explored properly they brought in an event that changed it all up. His Immortal Hulk worked best of all his books as they largely left him to it.
Many were pissed off that Hickman’s major changes were not resolved before he left but for me I was glad they wanted to carry on exploring them. I am always a few months behind because I read via Unlimited but while not every decision is to my tastes they really are exploring in depth the concepts he brought in like the immortality and an island nation.
They aren’t all back at the mansion with Prof X in a wheelchair. I’m old enough to know they eventually will, it all resets at some point, but you have to with this kind of soap opera be a bit at peace with that and just enjoy the story as it is. It’s 30 years since I stopped being wedded to continuity canon when they made Magneto a villain again for no logical reason. It never makes sense as a long narrative now, just grab the bits you enjoy.
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I listen to some of those “happening” podcasts of the X titles.
Many thanks to the member who got me started by recommending Jay and Miles. They cover the old storylines and are up to the aftermath of AoA with the Dark Beast ending up in 616.
The other tandems covering the X titles and the ones I
am catching these days are the X Wife podcast and House of X.Very funny as they crack jokes and give decent rundowns and critiques.
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I figure to take a pass on that upcoming Sinister reality event.
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I am catching up on my X-reading via Marvel Unlimited. Just read the first 3 issues of Immortal X-Men by Kieran Gillen. This comic is very very good. I’ve enjoyed Duggan’s X-Men a lot but this is a step above in ambition.
Each issue is told from the perspective of a different character (Sinister, Destiny and Hope respectively so far). Very cleverly done as there are a huge number of mysteries and possible futures going on and the unreliable narrators add to that – an also narrators we’ve rarely if ever seen before. Really good stuff.
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I like this “Children of the Vault” material. It got me looking into past issues.
They were first introduced in 2010 when Carey and Bachalo were the tandem.
The Children are badassThing is: Claremont introduced the Neo, we already have the Inhumans, and so on. How many more species?
The Children are being used sparingly and that is good.
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I haven’t read Immortal X-Men yet (I’m still pre Lives/ Death in my Marvel Unlimited read/ re-read), but I did just read Gillen’s Eternals run. That was pretty awesome too. Very much looking forward to tucking into Immortal and Judgment Day now.
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I can understand character changes and evolving like look at how Rogue started out and even Magneto was really a mutant terrorist…
But Moira, Hank McCoy, and Mr. Sinister… Feel bad for Caliban.
Also, unlikely characters making these secret very underhanded deals… even deals with the Devil as it were.
I see Kieron Gillon writing but is he the main man now?
Who is giving direction to the titles with Hickman gone?And Claremont is back on a single Gambit title.
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It’s funny, from all I have read Claremont and Tom Defalco have contracts for life with Marvel to exclusively write for them. They kept DeFalco on for ages on a terrible selling alternative universe Spider-Girl book and give Claremont the odd mini series or one-off nostalgia book but it’s all to stop them even thinking of taking legal action for al the stuff they created when contracts were a bit iffy because they basically get a wage whatever they do.
It’s a long standing concept, Stan Lee despite being the standard bearer for the line got a set payment from the 1970s onwards.
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Reading these info sites and watching YT videos that all give a synopsis on characters and arcs
Lots of arguing like “What character is Jean Grey without the Phoenix force?”
and Psyloche’s change into a sexy Asian for 30 years, Warren and his wing changes… Never ends.Why was the Mandarin never heard from again? It was him and his people that picked up Betsy right after the Seige Perilous…
This Synch character – There is a lot that can be done. (Reminds me a little of this other character in the old X-iles run who mimicked powers. Morph?) Because he can replicate other powers, he is like a “wildcard” if any of the Five collective go down. (They need the Five to resurrect.) Nice to see a black character be that powerful.
I also read up on Abigail Brand. Interesting… and all this intrigue.
And Darwin. (The one from the Xmen Class movie who died in a way that his power had a defense to)
And now this mutant of Aboriginine descent – Manifold. Opens up these portals shortcutting huge distances. (A glorified doorman?)
And… Please bring back the status of … Those who have been mutants for decades and have recently been retconned into something else 🤣
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Judgement Day story has wrapped up.
@njerry is so right.
These epic crossover stories in the 616 get reset in the end only with a few marginal tweaks but no lasting changes.Same goes for DC.
Only with alternate dimensions and variants are the writers able to take more chances since it is not in the “main”… you know. Or the writers are allowed to trash a world like they were in the Ultimate universe.
The X titles will no doubt tread water until the major Sinister story.
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What I’m getting at is Al is it sounds to be a reality reweave story. We know how those go, the interest is in how they execute it.
But while that kind of story will need some lead-up it won’t require other plots being put on hold.
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