Out internationally tomorrow, Christmas Day in the US.
A WW84 SPOILER Thread!
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I suspect this may be rather quiet for a while with various restrictions and the US TV release not until the 25th. I’ll be going tomorrow though with my daughter.
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I enjoyed it, but it struggled to live up to the first one.
In a move more like the early 70s comics, this often feels more like a Diana Prince movie than a Wonder Woman movie. In the first 90 minutes, there’s only one Wonder Woman scene, and it’s not a great one. They’re really hampered by the dumb BvS “nobody’s heard of WW” thing, and I really wish they’d just ignore it.
The villain’s plan didn’t really work for me. Explaining his motivations with a last-minute childhood abuse montage felt fairly cheap, and giving him a happy ending after all he’d done felt undeserved. Pascal was good though, and I was very happy this wasn’t yet another movie in which the villain’s motivation was that he hates women.
I think bringing back Pine was a mistake. He’s fun, and I love the scenes of her showing him around echoing the first film, but their connection wasn’t strong enough for me to ever believe she’d be willing to give up her powers to get him back.
The whole thing about Pine being in some other guy’s body was kind of creepy? Especially considering she has sex with this guy’s body? Who was he? Why him? The Christmas epilogue scene where she met him was cute, but absolutely not worth the confusion of that plot.
I liked Wiig a lot, and could have used even more of her. Her heel-turn to siding with Pascal mostly happens off-screen, and I’d have liked to have seen more of it. The early scenes with her and Gadot are fantastic, and I’d have loved more of them together too.
The movie is very cynical about what people would wish for if they had a chance. I guess it’s a commentary on both the present and the whole “greed is good” 80s thing, but it gets a bit depressing.
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The X-Men movies became bloated beasts as well. Dark Phoenix could have done with being 2 hours shorter.
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Yeeeesh this was kinda bad… There’s some good stuff in there, like, I don’t know if it was all Gadot, but I loved the physicality of WW… and some other stuff… but not much, it’s kind of a disaster.
First of all, the Donner-isms were waaaaaaaaay too on the nose, I mean, jesus, doing the Reeves’ Superman pose?? Come the fuck on… it’s bad enough when superman does it.
It went a few times well over the cringy bar too, I mean, I get the intention and the spirit it’s going for, and that’s fine, but come on.
Secondly, a lot of the CGI was PISS POOR. I’m talking sometimes worse than what you see in the CW shows… and that’s really fucking bad.
The lasso was over-used… I really liked it at first, some cool tricks, but then it’s like a lasso-ex-machina.
I dunno, I feel this movie was trying to go full in reverse from what the first movie did, which is weird, considering it’s the same folks who did it…
Anyhow, it’s not utter garbage I guess… I’m also guessing this is aimed for the youngsters, and that’s fine, but they should’ve trimmed some of the fat, because there’s too many filler slow scenes in there for a younger crowd.
Ah well… I’ll get my DC movie in 4 months or so… =P
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I thought the first movie was okay but DAMN, this was terrible.
Honestly, it feels like they found an unproduced 7-minute short script from the “Super Friends” cartoon and decided to blow it up to 2.5 hours. The “wish fulfillment” plot felt like something you’d see in a children’s cartoon or low budget kids movie. It’s not something you would use as the basis for a multimillion dollar tent pole movie.
Max Lord felt like he was straight out of a Saturday morning cartoon. It created such a disconnect in the movie.
Steve Trevor in some rando’s body was very problematic. I think it’s fair to say WW raped the guy. While it seemed like something you’d see in a movie made in 1984, it was hugely tone deaf for a 2020 production.
The romance in the first movie worked but faceplanted in the sequel. WW still pining (HA!) for Steve Trevor after about 70 years just odd. A feminist icon’s motivation is a man. How progressive.
If the coronavirus never happened and the movie premiered on schedule, I have a feeling it would not have done nearly as well as the first one.
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While I was entertained. The entertainment was almost entirely on the charisma and charm of Gadot and Pine. The movie itself was kind of bad. The plot was paper thin and so were all of the characters.
Barbara Ann and Max Lord had close to zero development or motivation for anything they did. I honest struggled to understand why Max did anything he did in that entire movie. His entire motivation seemed to be about power for the sake of power, which just isn’t compelling. Then on top of all of that, neither he or Barbara Ann got any closure. Max goes power mad and then just renounces his wish and runs to his son. He gets zero consequences for nearly destroying the world. And Barbara is just kind of there. I still don’t quite get how she was suddenly Cheetah, but it lasts for 5 minutes and then I guess she also renounced her wish(es)? Doesn’t matter, because we don’t see her again after that and really didn’t get to know her much during the rest of the movie either.
I completely agree with Todd about the absurdity of Diana pining for Steve after 70 years was a huge stretch and a bit reductive.
And, quite frankly, I don’t understand why they set this movie in 1984 instead of any other year/decade. Other than some gags revolving around Steve’s fashion and his reaction to future technology, this could have taken place at any time.
I don’t know, again I was entertained because it was something to do on Christmas and I didn’t have to pay for it, but definitely a step down from the first one (which I didn’t love, but did think was decent enough).
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Honestly, it feels like they found an unproduced 7-minute short script from the “Super Friends” cartoon and decided to blow it up to 2.5 hours. The “wish fulfillment” plot felt like something you’d see in a children’s cartoon or low budget kids movie. It’s not something you would use as the basis for a multimillion dollar tent pole movie.
Yeah that’s how I felt about it, hence why I’m guessing they wanted to do a movie aimed at kids, well young girls specifically. But then they go into the whole “oil king” thing and some politics, plus the 80’s setting: like why? And yes, it drags one for too long… so… yeah, it’s a bit of a bad mix of ideas.
Anyways, as an adult, this might be the worst DCU movie yet… yes, even worse than SQ. Since I’m not a kid, I can’t say how good it is from that perspective, but I feel Shazam did what this movie wanted to do, just much much MUCH better (and somehow looked better despite probably having less budget).
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Ha! I didn’t even think to wait for a mid or post credit scene… that’s what happens after a year+ of no MCU… =P
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Having Wonder Woman rape that guy for most of the film was an odd choice…..
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Highly odd. Having Steve return in someone else’s body added nothing to the movie other than icky questions. They could easily have done the fashion montage in a department store.
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I mean, specially when you have nukes and giant walls appearing/disappearing out of thin air, yet having Steve back in his own body was too much wish to handle for a magic rock?? Who the hell wrote that script?
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It was a very strange choice. I’m wondering if they just thought the meet up at the end would be cute and show Diana was moving on but without fully thinking through the ramifications of how weird the brain swap thing is. It also completely confused the two 12 year old girls watching it with me.
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The first Wonder Woman is my favorite DCEU film; WW84 is my least favorite, because it should have been much better given the director, writers, and cast. Even Birds of Prey, which I cringed at, was more enjoyable and made more sense.
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It was a very strange choice. I’m wondering if they just thought the meet up at the end would be cute and show Diana was moving on but without fully thinking through the ramifications of how weird the brain swap thing is.
Yeah probably, but it just doesn’t work at all… maybe if at some point throughout the movie they had introduced ONE male character besides Steve who wasn’t a complete garbage human being (buuuuut apparently they were out of those), you know, a nice guy that she kept on spurning because she was hung over Steve, and then at the end she gives him a shot because she finally lets go? But no, they went… another way… xD
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Well, perhaps we might get a Snyder Cut to make sense of all this.
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Well, perhaps we might get a Snyder Cut to make sense of all this.
Just watch it at half-speed with the brightness turned way down.
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Don’t forget to have Wonder Woman say “fuck”.
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Who the hell wrote that script?
Geoff Johns worked on the story and screenplay.
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I assume fast-tracked means they want to squeeze it in before Jenkins does Rogue Squadron, so possible 2022 release?
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Well, perhaps we might get a Snyder Cut to make sense of all this.
Funny you should say that… apparently it’s on for March… so that’s actually 3 months from now… even sooner than I thought! =)
The thing is now we don’t know if it’s a series or a movie anymore ’cause apparently they wanna do an imax release too… so who the fuck knows what they’re doing…
Geoff Johns worked on the story and screenplay.
Kind of crazy, if anything at all, at least Johns is supposed to be a good writer… =/
Also, did a quick search, screenplay also credited to a David Callaham (along with Jenkins and Johns), the guy who wrote such gems as Doom, and the Expendables 1,2,3… and oh boy, he’s the writer on Shang Chi… that’s a bit worrisome.
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Wonder Woman 2020, in which she stays at home and sings Imagine on Skype for some unknown goddamn reason.
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I watched it. I was unfulfilled at the end but I attributed that not being in the theater watching the lights come up(i really missed that) For me, going to the movies is more than just watching a film. It has to do with the whole atmosphere. But reading your responses got me out of that funk. The actors were good but the story was bad. Who was it that told Max about the dreamstone? Why did Barbara get 2 wishes? Who came up with the name Asteria? The Armor was cheap and nothing like its counterpart in the comics(Kingdom Come). How did the lasso allow Diana to talk to the entire world? Was Zack Snyder the producer of WW? I noticed he was this time and it has his style. Doing cool things without explaining them.
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Was Zack Snyder the producer of WW? I noticed he was this time and it has his style. Doing cool things without explaining them.
Ohhh no no no no no HELL NO, don’t even… xD
WW84’s got zero Snyder in there… but yes, he’s the producer.
He was also the producer for the first one and guess what else he was… one of the writers (along with Allan Heinberg)…
Don’t go blaming Snyder for this one, he was already fired when this went into production, his “producer” credit is probably just a contractual thing. Plus again, he co-wrote the first one which was a MUCH better movie. So NO! bad boy =P
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Just as Snyder could point to Byrne’s run for Superman killing Zod, expect there to be some dodgy material in the Marston comics to get Diana off the hook for rape.
Problem is that “but the comics did it” isn’t reason for a movie to replicate it. Let that fly and someone’s getting killed, cut up and stuffed in a fridge.
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I think Snyder is an EP on all the DC movies. It’s probably part of his deal with WB.
Not all of them, but SQ, WW1, WW2 and Aquaman… I’m pretty sure he’ll get a producer credit on an eventual WW3, Aquaman 2 and even the Flash movie with Ezra Miller… funnily enough, he’s not a producer on any of the movies he directed (his wife is though)… I wonder if that’s a legal thing where you can’t be both a producer and the director?? Sounds like being a “producer” is just a way of getting paid…
At any rate, WW84 is about the most un-Snyder DCU movie yet, so I hope people don’t start blaming him for its failures.
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Wasn’t it Wonder Woman 1 where everyone wanted to credit Snyder instead of Jenkins for all the bits everyone really liked (like the trench action scene)?
Interesting to see the claims he was deeply involved in that well-liked and successful movie reversed when the second one has fared less well.
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Kind of crazy, if anything at all, at least Johns is supposed to be a good writer… =/
Is he? I never read a book he wrote that I didn’t think was shit.
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It’s always difficult to know with these things as some of it is PR basically. There was a similar situation with Man Of Steel where they played up Christopher Nolan’s influence as producer (as he was fresh off the Dark Knight movies) but then after the movie came out it transpired that he was barely involved, or at least wanted to distance himself from it.
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Ohhh no no no no no HELL NO, don’t even… xD
Thank you for that. it gave me a good laugh.
Kind of crazy, if anything at all, at least Johns is supposed to be a good writer… =/
Johns has never written the WW book. Why did they not get someone who written WW? Heinberg had written WW in the comics before writing for WW1. They “gave” special credit to a bunch of WW creators. Use one of them. Although it might be better with a single writer because the 3 headed monster they used this time failed miserably.
Over in the DC comics thread, people are bemoaning the comics because of the direction they are taking. I forget whether they showed the DC logo at the beginning but I know they DIDN’T at the end of the movie. They just showed the WB logo. SMH
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It’s always difficult to know with these things as some of it is PR basically. There was a similar situation with Man Of Steel where they played up Christopher Nolan’s influence as producer (as he was fresh off the Dark Knight movies) but then after the movie came out it transpired that he was barely involved, or at least wanted to distance himself from it.
It IS weird… Nolan (and his wife) has been listed as a producer for most of those films too, and he obviously hasn’t had any involvement… like apparently he still gets a producer credit in the Snyder cut all this time later… =/
So yeah, who knows what’s the deal with the whole producer credit thing… they probably get some back-end cash or something in other movies as part of their deals… come to think of it, that might be why he’s so pissed about the HBOmax thing, he might be not getting some of that money with the move.
Anyhow, yeah, it’s weird, but there’s always some random people on “producer” credits in the movies…
Is he? I never read a book he wrote that I didn’t think was shit.
Johns has never written the WW book. Why did they not get someone who written WW?
Huh… I thought he was well regarded… I haven’t read a lot by him since he’s focused on GL for a while and that’s not my cup of tea, but I dunno, I thought he was supposed to be “good”…
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I remember reading some of that zombie Lantern stuff and some of his crisis stuff. It was all shit.
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The Wonder Woman sequel I'd like to see would have the Feds picking up "Steve Trevor" and interrogating him to find out why he stole a jet,why he created an international incident in Egypt and why he broke into the White House. His only answer is "But I'm a manager at Chess King"
— Kevin Maguire (@maguirekevin) December 29, 2020
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Finally got around to watching it this morning. Overall the whole thing felt rather messy to me. I thought the cast were all did a good job. Especially Gadot who just lights up the screen for me. But it’s far to long and the story is all over the place.I don’t think Patty Jenkins has a very good eye for shooting action. The CGI was bad at times and the wire work was awful. Especially when they tried to show Diane running. And I could barely see what was happening in the final fight with Cheetah. The camera was all over the place and it was dark as hell.And as everyone else has pointed out, the stuff with Steve is super creepy and unnecessary. Just have him come back in his own bloody body, and you avoid all the weird rapey implications.
I understand the impulse of trying to subvert things by not having the standard end of film showdown. But at the end of the day I’m watching a big budget superhero film. I want the big action, not the main character talking about butterflies and rainbows for what felt like an eternity.
It just wasn’t a satisfying way to end the movie. Especially when the previous action scenes were letdowns, and felt like they had pretty low stakes.1 user thanked author for this post.
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So I finally watched it this afternoon and….
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I mean, where do you even begin? It’s *catastrophically* bad. It actually made me pine for Zack Snyder.
(But that doesn’t mean I’m going to watch the Snyder Cut.)
I may post some more coherent thoughts when I’ve scooped my brain up off the floor, or maybe I won’t.
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I may post some more coherent thoughts when I’ve scooped my brain up off the floor, or maybe I won’t.
Definitely put your brain back in your body. If you don’t, your body could be possessed by a WWI ghost and raped by an Amazon.
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I mean, where do you even begin? It’s *catastrophically* bad. It actually made me pine for Zack Snyder.
It does make me wonder if Snyder and his team’s involvement in the first one was underestimated. Also, it does seem clear that Geoff John’s influence on DC movies really hasn’t helped them. I think this was the last film he really had any say in and without Snyder – or maybe Goyer or some other DC writer – as a counterbalance, it probably did not help.
Do you think Johns really wants DC movies to be more like Marvel movies? I get that impression, but it just doesn’t seem like the right fit.
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Snyder was really following Nolan’s aesthetic though, after they probably begged but failed to convince Nolan to do it. People forget that, but in reality WB wanted to replicate the success of the Nolan batflicks (understandably so), so those are the ones that were “darker” and more or less the template, I would assume, hence the differences between the MCU and the DCEU.
Also, yes, I believe Johns wanted to copy the MCU (again, understandably so)… I mean, just look at all of their latest movies, except for Joker of course, which was very much its own thing and had zero involvment from Johns or Berg.
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whenever they greenlight a third one
Like, four days ago.
https://variety.com/2020/film/news/wonder-woman-3-gal-gadot-patty-jenkins-1234875194/
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61% on rottentomatoes at this point. Ouch.
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Okay, a few thoughts about this fiasco of a movie:
The script is laughably bad. From the small things like the scene where Diana takes Barbara to lunch, which opens with Diana saying “You’re so funny, Barbara. And so personable.” It’s literally Writing 101 to “show, don’t tell” and we’ve seen no evidence that Barbara is either of those things. She’s just kind of pathetic in a tragically unfunny way.
To the bigger problems – no, colossal problems – like Max’s plan, which doesn’t make a lick of sense (he has a magic wishing stone, so his one wish is to grant everyone else’s wish, because they’ll give him something he wants in return? WHAT??? And what was he even planning to do with it all? Start World War III? WHY???), the fact that Cheetah is the villain in a movie where they take almost no opportunity to have her use her powers because Diana has some magical indestructible armour, except it turns out to be not very indestructible so WHAT WAS THE POINT OF IT??
And there’s a million other things like why Steve showed up in somebody else’s body, how stupidly convenient it is that the President has just the super Top Secret gadget Max needs up on display boards in the Oval Office, and why all of this utter nonsense takes 2 1/2 hours, with almost no action scenes.
And the few action scenes there are were terrible! From the awful wire-work of Diana flying and jumping, the terrible green-screening, the amateurish direction… I watched Paddington 2 again the other day, a movie that cost $40 million (one fifth of WW84’s budget) and it has a believable CG character (covered in fur, which just complicates the rendering process even further) in almost every frame of the movie, perfectly integrated into the live action, and it looks 50 times better than anything in WW84.
I’m staggered that Warners have fast-tracked Wonder Woman 3 after this, with the same director at the helm. I wouldn’t let her within 500 yards of a movie set ever again.
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The RT rating for this movie has now dropped from 89% (after the first ~80 reviews) to 61% (after ~350 reviews), which is the biggest drop I’ve ever seen for a major blockbuster. https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/wonder_woman_1984
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I hope if this flops
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Bahahahahahahahahahahahah
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I think that could be up to a wish being fulfilled. I don’t remember specifically but someone wished that the meeting with the president would go well for Max or something. I’m not defending any other points you’re bringing up, and it is definitely a kind of hackneyed explanation but still within the (however stupid) confines of the plot. Then again, I might be misrembering and it’s just lazy. It’s lazy either way, actually.
I don’t want to defend the movie either ’cause it really is a shit script, but you’re right… he did have a couple of people wish him well… particularly his son, IIRC he wished for his dad to succeed or some shit like that… that’s technically enough to justify that assinine plot point
You know what pissed me off the most about the movie? And btw, it’s something that also pissed me off to no end in BvS: When Diana takes off from DC in pursuit of Max’s plane… she like riding the lightning and then learning to fly for a while… then she just decides to turn around and go back to DC to get her armour… what in the actual fuck!!! u_u (in BvS it was Batman magically getting out of that super cumbersome metal armour and into his regular costume out of nowhere)…. it’s the little things I swear but holy shit how they bother me!!! =P
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The RT rating for this movie has now dropped from 89% (after the first ~80 reviews) to 61% (after ~350 reviews), which is the biggest drop I’ve ever seen for a major blockbuster. https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/wonder_woman_1984
It’s worse ’cause they jumped the gun and certified it “fresh”, then had to un-certify it, which apparently is the first time it ever happens… xD
The lesson here is: Never trust the first reviewers… they might not be techincally “paid reviews”, but it’s certainly the crowd who gets early access and don’t wanna lost that early access… so they’re shilling anyway.
I hope if this flops they don’t put it down to covid. I mean, they will PR-wise, but hopefully internally, they’ll draw different conclusions.
They can always blame it on the mysoginist incel crowd I suppose… worked for Ghostbusters
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I hope if this flops they don’t put it down to covid. I mean, they will PR-wise, but hopefully internally, they’ll draw different conclusions.
I honestly don’t think there’s any way in the current situation to define if a film flops or not.
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I honestly don’t think there’s any way in the current situation to define if a film flops or not, except for the truthful yet constructive critical analysis provided on The Carrier
Fixed that for you, sir.
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It’s always difficult to know with these things as some of it is PR basically. There was a similar situation with Man Of Steel where they played up Christopher Nolan’s influence as producer (as he was fresh off the Dark Knight movies) but then after the movie came out it transpired that he was barely involved, or at least wanted to distance himself from it.
It IS weird… Nolan (and his wife) has been listed as a producer for most of those films too, and he obviously hasn’t had any involvement… like apparently he still gets a producer credit in the Snyder cut all this time later… =/
So yeah, who knows what’s the deal with the whole producer credit thing… they probably get some back-end cash or something in other movies as part of their deals… come to think of it, that might be why he’s so pissed about the HBOmax thing, he might be not getting some of that money with the move.
Anyhow, yeah, it’s weird, but there’s always some random people on “producer” credits in the movies…
Is he? I never read a book he wrote that I didn’t think was shit.
Johns has never written the WW book. Why did they not get someone who written WW?
Huh… I thought he was well regarded… I haven’t read a lot by him since he’s focused on GL for a while and that’s not my cup of tea, but I dunno, I thought he was supposed to be “good”…
He’s probably the most highly regarded writer in modern mainstream comics, specifically for his DC work.
Outside of that, he has been writing and spearheading the terrific Stargirl series along with James Robinson.
His comics work is notable, but not by casual readers. More so by hardcore DC fans and includes brilliant log runs on
Green lantern (where he single handedly brought a C list character into the fore and made GL the most popular IP at DC for the only time in the history of the book(s)
His JSA is one of the best runs (over 100 issues) of comics published by DC in the past 20 years and is universally well thought of
He also has long flash run that is responsible for building the Rogues gallery into what they are today and is constantly in print, most recently across 3 omnibuses editions
His Teen Titans is the most popular run outside of the Wolfman era of that series, another log running epic that brought a lot of characters into the spotlight they still enjoy today, most notably cyborg.
He had a really great run on Justice League in the new 52 for around 50 issues, which started fairly underwhelming but then build into a pretty great epic
His new 52 Aquaman run was also very well received and did a very good job of bringing the character back from being a joke figure
Blackest Night was a lot of fun, as was his superb superman run that he co-wrote with his hero, Richard Donner.
His recent Shazam book I bought in hardcover and put up the loft for my kids when they are old enough to read it. It’s amazing adventure story full of great plot ideas and a lot of fun.
There’s a lot more, including Doomsday Clock which many people unfairly held up against the greatest comic of all time, Watchmen, and turned very critical when their ridiculous expectations did not hold up.
Johns is not here to revolutionise comics, and unlike the likes of Tom King and Jonathan Hickman, he never claims to be trying to do this. He loves superhero books that he grew up with and looks to keep that tradition going. Without writers likes Johns, Slott, Tynion IV etc what little we have left of this once great genre of the comics medium would cease to exist.
Back to Stargirl, this show was recommended to me by Parker and it became a Sunday night family routine for us to watch together after dinner and before the kids go to bed. My kids love it and so do I. It leaves the cynicism at the door and focusses on being a proper family show with likeable characters, life lessons and a lot of colourful fun. The main character is based on his young sister, Courtney Johns, who sadly died when she was very young, and is clearly a passion project of his.
Johns just gets superhero books and is pound for point the best writer at the big two from around 2000 onwards. Not every writer needs to be grant Morrison and not every comic needs to reinvent the wheel. He excels at writing solid superhero stories and making the audience care for the characters, but his stuff is for readers who are in for the long haul and not dipping their toes into a universe they have no emotional involvement in, to see what the fuss is about. So I can see why readers on the peripheral of comics who stick to the buzz books and short runs will have a problem penetrating what makes his books so good.
Edit – I can’t comment on WW84 or the length of his involvement in it because I have not watched it and have no intention to either. However, whoever wrote the script for this movie, I doubt their original draft is anything resembling the final product, given the amount of interference that has plagued every single DC movie released since the Nolan trilogy.
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I don’t disagree with most of your post but…
Doomsday Clock which many people unfairly held up against the greatest comic of all time
Is it unfair to compare it to the comic book that it is a direct sequel to?
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Alright, Chris. I get ya, and under those pretences it does seem unfair.
Comparing Doomsday Clock to Watchmen (a stand-alone series, out of the loop of the wider DCU until Rebirth) doesn’t seem appropriate to me.
Not as inappropriate as it is to integrate the Watchmen (a stand-alone series out of the loop of the wider anything) characters into the DCU in the first place. But that is an entirely different point and I couldn’t help myself. :)
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Good to have you back, by the way. I love reasoned discourse.
I’m just not very good at it.
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Thanks buddy.
Although my level of reason probably varies depending on
1. How much sleep I’ve had
2. How much I’ve had to drink
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In both cases, the more the better eh?
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That sucks for you.
You’ve missed a lot of great comics.
I doubt it. I read a lot of mediocre comics because I felt like I couldn’t let go of superheroes; I am quite happy focusing on books that I enjoy a lot more.
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If what you are saying is you are not interested in reading superhero comics then that’s understandable and absolutely fair enough
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As a counter-point that’s not at all how I read Christians post.
Our own separate and opposed preferences and likings do not invalidate each other.
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I have liked the style of Geoff Johns and others like Peter David and Gail Simone back a decade or so ago. He was something like the DC version of Bendis who seemed to be writing everything at Marvel around the same time. Lately though most of the books either writes don’t interest me much but I can’t say they are any worse than when I was into them.
I do enjoy the Grant Morrison/Liam Sharp Green Lantern series and the Ewing/Bennet Immortal Hulk run, but I’m kinda lost if I pick up a mainstream DC or Marvel title.
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Last I heard Doctor Octopus was Peter Parker and Superman was hooking up with Wonder Woman. Don’t know if I’ve missed anything good since then but it didn’t seem so at the time.
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