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Frozen Hell by John W Campbell Jr. Written in the 30s and never released in it’s full, unedited form until recently. A cutback version saw publication as Who Goes There which was the inspiration for movies The Thing From Another World and John Carpenter’s The Thing. I’ve been on a serious early/mid 20th century sci fi kick for some time and I’m a massive fan of The Thing so this should hopefully be right up my street.

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  • #380

    March of the Lemmings

    Stewart Lee’s new book, March of the Lemmings. A collection of his newspaper columns on Brexit along with an annotated version of the script for his last show, Content Provider.

    One of my favourite things that Lee does here (as in previous books) is to include with his online columns a selection of below-the-line comments for each column – often very negative, frequently spectacularly point-missing, and always amusing. It adds an extra dimension to the book to see the deliberately antagonistic relationship with the audience that he sets up, just as in his stand-up.

  • #436

    I got a chance to sit down and read Frozen Hell last night. I enjoyed it but more as a fan of The Thing rather than a fan of old school sci fi. I can see why it was originally published in an edited format as it’s a bit too flabby for a short story. A lot of talking in it too and some of the action is a bit unclear.

    The manuscript obviously wasn’t proof read closely as there are loads of typos- spaces after apostrophes, mismatched quote marks, its/it’s and the page numbers in the contents aren’t correct. None have an impact on the narrative but it’s enough that even an idiot like me pauses, frowns and finds himself taken out of the story for a moment.

    Glad I supported the Kickstarter and glad I read it but it’s definitely something I’m keeping as a curiosity and as a fan of the movie it inspired rather than something i enjoyed on it’s own merits.

  • #725

    I finished David Koepp’s first novel, ‘Cold Storage’.

    My initial impression was that it wasn’t great, and that’s my final impression too. Bits of it are fun, but the whole book seems to have been rushed into publication?

    I don’t know if it was, it might’ve taken him years, in between writing movies? It rambles a lot, digressing about this and that, when really it’s a high concept idea that needs to be sparse, not dense.

    And for all the many pages explaining the background of the characters and the science of the mutating zombie fungus, there’s no real depth to anything.

    It’s in development as a movie of course, and if it gets made (and it should) I will be interested to see if it works better on screen?

  • #849

    Sometimes these set-question interviews can be dull and boring, but this one isn’t.

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/oct/05/clive-james-books-overrated-all-magic-realism

    I bloody love Clive James and I’m very glad he’s still with us.

  • #871

    I just read that (March of the Lemmings) too. I had read some of the columns when they were originally printed in the Observer (i.e. what the Guardian mysteriously turns into on a Sunday). I enjoyed them a lot more this time around. I know a bit more about Stewart Lee now and I think they benefit from being read in a chunk.

    But like Dave says, the choice to include the below the line comments is an inspired one. Some of the negative reactions are hilarious.

    If you like this sort of thing, you will like it. If you don’t, this won’t change your mind.

  • #1221

    I really enjoyed Stephen King’s new book The Institute. It’s the first book of his I’ve read that’s been published this century since From a Buick 8. I have to admit, it’s a little jarring seeing him write about things like Uber and Youtube and the Trump Presidency. A Rihanna song even gets a mention.

    The book’s about a secret facility where psychic children are tested and exploited for mysterious purposes. The dialogue King writes for the kids is pretty outdated–they says things like “foxy” and “put an egg in your shoe and beat it”–but you know that going in when reading a book about kids written by a 72-year-old man. It’s a little funny though when he picks reference points that are a little more current, like Rihanna’s “Pon de Replay,” which are still a decade or more out of date. But again, that’s to be expected, and, for me at least, it didn’t affect the quality of the book.

    The Institute doesn’t have the same urgency or strong relationships between characters as King’s greatest books (The Stand, The Dead Zone, ‘Salem’s Lot, It, the early Dark Tower books) but it’s still a riveting read with well-drawn characters. Reading King’s work is practically a passive experience for me. His writing is so vivid and compelling that reading it is effortless, like watching a movie unfold. The Institute is over 500 pages but I read it in the time it takes me to read a book half that length.

    What I found most interesting about the book isn’t the child characters but the adults who imprison them and the shoddy, complacent way in which the adults, who’ve been experimenting on children for decades, run their facility. Although King says the book wasn’t written in response to ICE and CBP’s border camps, it perfectly describes the kind of mindset it takes to tear children away from their parents and imprison them under inhumane, abusive conditions.

    Obviously, this can make for a harrowing read. The tone of the book isn’t too depressing, all things considered–the kids cope with a lot of dark humor–but the tests they’re subjected to are often crude and violent, like being held underwater for progressively longer periods of time. The tests do serve a greater purpose, although what that is isn’t revealed for some time. What you do know from the beginning is that the Institute’s doctors and orderlies believe what they’re doing is saving the world. As a portrait of zealotry, this book’s one of the best.

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  • #1252

    I read Philip Pullman’s second Book of Dust book, The Secret Commonwealth, set a decade after His Dark Materials. It’s good, and definitely more eventful than the previous book, but even at 700 pages, it doesn’t feel like a complete novel, as none of the plot threads are resolved, and it runs right into the third book, which will presumably be out in a few years. I’d have liked Pan and Lyra reunited at the end of this one for some sense of levity, but nope.

    Giving Lyra a no-good uncle in addition to her dodgy parents felt a bit redundant too, especially as he gets little to do.

    I’d have liked to have seen more of the stuff back at Oxford with Alice, Hannah, and the new administration, which is mostly forgotten for a lot of the book until they need to do some setup for the next one at the end.

  • #1269

    I bought this for my wife last week after she enjoyed the first one. I’m waiting until all three are out before I read them, though.

  • #1338

    To help me in one of my classes: Endangered Languages: An Introduction

  • #3219

    Got the Scarlet Traces short story collection for my birthday. A collection of post War of the Worlds shorts. It ties in with the Scarlet Traces comic currently being published in the pages of 2000ad (writen by collection editor Ian Edgington). The first story is by a guy called Stephen Baxter who apparently wrote the official War of the Worlds sequel (though I’ve no idea if that was any good).

  • #3958

    Got the Scarlet Traces short story collection for my birthday. A collection of post War of the Worlds shorts. It ties in with the Scarlet Traces comic currently being published in the pages of 2000ad (writen by collection editor Ian Edgington). The first story is by a guy called Stephen Baxter who apparently wrote the official War of the Worlds sequel (though I’ve no idea if that was any good).

    Nearly done with this. Only got a couple stories left to read. Quality varies from ok to dull and only occasionally exciting. Everything feels lightweight and there’s nothing really done in terms of world building in any of the stories (which I think may be due to the nature of the collection and that the stories are based on an existing property).

  • #4011

    The last two stories – dealing with the history of mars and the impact of British tech supremacy on the US – turned out to be the best. Boosted the collections rating from 2.5/5 to 3/5.

  • #4018

    ‘Atlas of a Lost World’ https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/227860/atlas-of-a-lost-world-by-craig-childs/
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    Part personal travelogue and part pre-historic history lesson, it kept my attention for the most part, but it gets a little repetitive in places. There’s only so many camping stories I can read before I need a break, and after a while the theoretical (educated guess work) of Ice Age cultural migration/evolution/extinction becomes too theoretical (big, wild guesses!).
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    But there’s lot of information in there and it’s less dry than a text book.

  • #4042

    Currently reading THE SILENCE, a horror novel by Tim Lebbon. A departure from the kind of books I’ve been reading lately, but I’m loving the shit out of it.

  • #4073

    Bruce already reviewed this, but here’s my take on
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    Frozen Hell by John W. Campbell Jr.
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    First, a bit of background: John Wood Campbell was one of the big names in 1930s science fiction. He abandoned his writing career very early, though, to become editor of Astounding Science Fiction in 1937, a position he held until his death in 1971, and was probably the most important and influential SF magazine editor of the 20th century.
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    One of the last things he wrote was a short story called Who Goes There?, published in 1938. If you have any interest at all in Golden Age SF, you’ve probably read it, as it’s one of the key entries in the genre and has appeared in more collections than I’ve had hot dinners. And even if you have no interest in musty old stories from before you were born, you can be grateful that John Carpenter was interested, as you’ve almost certainly seen The Thing.
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    But what’s this got to do with Frozen Hell? I hear you ask.
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    A few years ago, novellist and historian Alec Nevala-Lee was researching a biography of John Wood Campbell and discovered references to an unpublished first draft of Who Goes There?, under the title Frozen Hell. After a bit of digging he unearthed the typescript in Campbell’s archived papers, and found that it wasn’t simply an early draft, it was a much longer version with over 50% more material that had been cut from the published story. So after a massively successful kickstarter campaign he published the draft under its original title.
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    I’m going to assume you all know either the original story, or you’ve seen The Thing, so I’m not going to rehash it here. The important question for this new volume is, is the new material any good?
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    Well, yes and no. The new material is three chapters at the front of the book. And you can see why Campbell’s editor told him to cut them. They describe the Antarctic expedition’s discovery of the frozen alien, and it’s quite a long-winded build up if you just want to get to the horror story plot of men trapped in an ioslated outpost with a deadly monster. But as an example of their genre (and their era), these chapters are golden. If you love the SF of the era, you probably love reading about scientists standing around discussing meteorology and metallurgy and ice floe movements and light refraction, you love the feel of scientific authenticity, and idea that science is a thing of wonder in itself that doesn’t need monsters to make it interesting. These three chapters give you all that, and show you that Campbell was a master of the genre.
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    But still, you can see why they were cut. Who Goes There? stands as a masterpiece of tense plotting, and <emFrozen Hell does lose that. But I’m still glad it was found, and that I can now enjoy both versions.
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    The original story was short. I’m not sure what in words, but in this book it’s 54 pages. The full story here is expanded to 94 pages. The book includes an interesting preface by Alec Nevala-Lee, detailing how he found the draft, and a long introduction by Robert Silverberg, who of course knew Campbell, putting the work into historical context and analysing the changes to the story. You might think all that is useless padding to make the book thick enough to print, but personally I love that kind of stuff. There are also a few full-page illustrations, and while I’m not so excited about those they do help evoke the magazines of the period (which always accompanied the story with black-and-white illustrations).
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    So overall, I’m really happy with the package and would highly recommend it to anyone. Though, to be honest, if you’ve never read Who Goes There?, you should really read that first. It ought to be required reading for anyone who likes SF. It’s a considered classic for a reason.

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  • #4106

    Cracking review David. You’ve made me want to check it out.

  • #4114

    Agree with Dave. Great review David.

  • #4290

    I have an Amazon wishlist that is full of books I’ve been meaning to get and read for ages now. Some have been on there about a decade, like Chuck Klosterman’s Sex, Drugs & Cococa Puffs, which I finally read this week. Yay me.

    Was it worth the wait? Eh. Part of what attracted me to the book way back when was the “low culture manifesto” concept, the idea that someone would write intellectual essays about pop culture and ephemera, because that’s kind of my thing. That would have been more novel when this book was originally published (2003 in the US, it turns out, but not til 2008 in the UK, which is when I became aware of it) but has been largely satiated by the internet in the intervening time.

    And the book does feel quite dated in many regards. It definitely lives in the shadow on 9/11 still, which is understandable, but is a strange period to revisit. Still, there are some enjoyable and thought-provoking essays in here, such as one explaining why general scepticism about the media and its bias is usually completely wrong (though that especially feels a bit dated now in light of the media entities that have sprung up in recent years) and one talking about how weird Saved By The Bell was, especially when it subbed in a replacement character for Kelly and Jessie for the the second half of the last series, but how that actually relates to real life.

    There is a bit of cultural divide that made the book hard-going at times though. One tries to explain how the difference between the 1980s LA Lakers and Boston Celtics can be applied to all walks of life, which I’m sure would be more interesting/amusing to someone who knew anything about those. Conversely, the chapter about contestants on various iterations of MTV’s The Real World and how their pigeon-holing has bled back into the actual real world was interesting despite me being only vaguely familiar with the show.

    I think the biggest problem is that, despite talking about reality shows and early 90s teen sitcoms, Klosterman ends up coming across a hipster douche, for the most part. He’s incredibly snobby about rock music, movies and dismisses the entire medium of video games out of hand, while making sure to casually mention the drugs he does. He also repeatedly refers to women as “females” which is always a red flag for me.

    A bit of a mixed bag over all really and I don’t think I’d bother reading any of his other collections.

  • #4709

    Given that I’m learning Irish, I just requested a recent translation of The Táin from the Borough Library, so I can know more about Irish culture and myth.

  • #4838

    Actually, my college library had a book telling the story of the Tuatha Dé Danann, so I’m reading that first

  • #5368

    (Was going to start a new thread for this, but thought we could expand the remit of this thread to be “talking about books” rather than just “what are you reading right now”, as we did with the Music thread.)
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    Uh-oh, it’s some of those “experts” voting on culture again:

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/nov/05/discworld-dishes-moby-dick-bbc-unveils-100-novels-that-shaped-our-world

    There’s no Wuthering Heights, no Moby-Dick, no Ulysses, but there is Half of a Yellow Sun, Bridget Jones’s Diary and Discworld: so announced the panel of experts assembled by the BBC to draw up a list of 100 novels that shaped their world.

    Oh, the horror!
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    Although, actually, I agree with their approach:
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    “So many amazing novels are not on the list,” said Dawson. “As this panel of judges, we’re not qualified to say this is the definitive list, but we are qualified to say these are our favourites …” … “I hope people look at the list and recognise how we have allowed the emotions behind a novel to factor into our choices, not how many copies it’s sold, or if it’s considered a work of great literature,” said Dawson. “A novel only really matters in its relation to its reader

    Really, there is no other valid way to judge a book. If it hasn’t engaged your emotions, it has failed at its job, no matter how objectively “great” it might be.

  • #5450

    Currently reading Wally Lamb’s I KNOW THIS MUCH IS TRUE, about one brother dealing with his identical twin who happens to be a schizophrenic. I downloaded the book a year ago but kept putting off reading it. Then two things happened simultaneously: during lunch with a client, she told me she had just read it and strongly recommended it to me; and, while I was waiting for Sunday’s episode of WATCHMEN to start, I saw an HBO advert that showed an upcoming miniseries adaptation of the book, starring Mark Ruffalo as the twin brothers.
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    Coincidence, or a sign from God? So here I am.
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    Two things I like about the author: as a child he wrote and drew his own comics; and the titles of his books are all song titles.

  • #5467

    Now I’ve finally found the list itself, which they seem reluctant to promote for some reason. Includes V For Vendetta and Sandman:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/494P41NCbVYHlY319VwGbxp/explore-the-list-of-100-novels-that-shaped-our-world

  • #5471

    I’ve been slowly dipping in to the Alan Moore biography by Lance Parkin I picked up rather randomly in my local supermarket.
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    It suffers a little by clearly not having any first hand discussions with Moore but does make up for it with some very detailed research and nice rarities in the photos and pics.
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    One bit that intrigued me was details of very early comics conventions in the UK that Moore attended in the late 1970s. One of the names featured in a very small group in those days organising the cons with Moore was Nick Landau. He went on (via being one of the founders of Forbidden Planet) to create Titan Books. It includes an old ad for Titan introducing the concept of trade paperbacks. He started collecting Judge Dredd into volumes and then struck a deal with DC and did Swamp Thing in black and white editions. Titan collected Watchmen and Dark Knight in the UK before DC had any trade program, they then saw how well it was doing and quickly copied it for the US market.
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    (I first read The Dark Knight Returns in a Titan collection with a weird computer generated cover rather than using Miller art).
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    So in a round about way his old pal Nick was responsible for him losing the rights to Watchmen and V for Vendetta.
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    When Moore (plus Gibbons and Lloyd) signed those contracts the idea of remaining in print was unheard of because the big two publishers just did periodicals. By copying Titan’s success in collected editions DC made it so 30+ years later they remain in print with no gap.

  • #5553

    Currently reading Cherry by Nico Walker. It’s brutal but feels incredibly real (likely due to it being semi-autobiographical). Walker has a very unique voice, like Hemingway fed through an automatic shotgun. Looks like the film rights have already been acquired by the Russos with Tom Holland as the lead.
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_(novel)

  • #5636

    I’m giving Aristotle’s Nicomachean Ethics another try. It was a difficult read the first time around, this time I’m taking it a bit slower. I think a lot is lost in translation from the original Greek. What he seems to be doing a lot is making detailed distinctions between definitions and abstract concepts, and putting everything in categories, and I have a suspicion this doesn’t work very well in this translation and might come across more naturally in the original.

    But it is interesting, the explanation of what he sees as voluntary and involuntary is interesting in the context of modern concepts of free will and determinism.

  • #5871

    Vinyl Detective

    I’ve been reading The Vinyl Detective series (4 books so far). A nice romp through London and surrounding areas with interesting characters and pretty good mysteries. The first book was the best, because you are getting to know the protagonist and the rest of the cast, but they do become old friends that are fun to return to in the later books.

  • #6640

    I haven’t started reading it yet, but I scored a free copy of It’s a Yes!, an account of the repeal campaign last year, mostly sourced from interviews with Grainne Griffin, Orla O’Connor and Ailbhe Smyth, the co-convenors of the Together For Yes campaign, as well as with a few other activist, most of whom are friends of mine. It’s a slim volume at a shade over 200 pages, but I’m looking forward to delving in.

  • #9868

    As Chanukah starts tonight, I will be reading I Maccabees. Even though it’s not a sacred text to Jews,we still view it as a very important historical work on the holiday.

  • #9935

    Reading Stross’ second Eschaton novel, Iron Sunrise. The Eschaton being a singularity entity that has, upon its emergence, destroyed human existence as it was then by taking the bigger part of humanity and scattering them across space and time and thereby in the same stroke creating an interplanetary society (because it gave the people it scattered terraforming equipment and the like) that also was instantenous because of the time-travelling aspect of it. And now this Eschaton is a deus obscura mostly, but also a wrathful god when it comes to upholding its most important commandment that it gave humanity – don’t mess with causality (so, no time-travelling for anybody else).

    This one starts with a terrifying act of war out of nowhere – the destruction of a planet. And there is, like, a fascist civilisation that seems to slowly take over more and more of the galaxy.

    It’s very good, and a fun fast read, as expected.

  • #9948

    As the Christmas holidays begin, I have started reading Krampus: The Yule Lord, written and illustrated by Brom. All those demons and bloodshed should put me in the right mood for the week!!  :good:

  • #9957

    John Fowles The Collector. It was recommended to me, so I bought it to read on an upcoming train journey. I thought I would read just the first page, to see what the writing was like. Then I read the next page. Then the next page.

    Now I need another book for my train journey :unsure:

    Seriously, it’s that kind of book.

  • #10559

    My final tally for the year is 36 books, including 8 non-fiction and 4 short story collections.

    Shortest book I read this year: Revolution: A Manifesto by Ron Paul, 112 pages
    Longest book I read this year: Grant by Ron Chernow, 1496 pages

    Oldest book I read this year: Fairy Tales by Hans Christian Andersen, 1836
    Newest book I read this year: The Lost Girls of Paris by Pam Jenoff, 2019

    Favorite books I read this year: a toss-up between
    The Things They Carried by Tim O’Brien, and
    I Know This Much Is True by Wally Lamb

  • #11207

    I’m reading Cixin Liu’s The Three-Body Problem, which I got for Christmas along with the other two books in the trilogy. I’m about 100 pages in and enjoying it a lot. It’s interesting to see the sci-fi trope of first contact take place in modern China rather than the Western World, and the early scenes set during the Cultural Revolution are really revelatory. I didn’t realize Liu could get away with such criticisms of the Mao era.

  • #11291

    I’m reading Margaret Atwood’s Negotiating with the Dead:

    Chapter One: Who Do You Think You Are?

    Well, I don’t know. You tell me, Mrs. M. Right now I’m blanker than Martin Blank.

  • #12123

    William Shakespeare’s Star Wars

    It’s the main episodes of Star Wars (Through Ep. VII; obviously the author- Ian Doescher- hasn’t had time to do Ep. IX) written as if they are Shakespeare plays. I’m starting with Phantom of Menace, and Doescher managed to do the impossible- not only is Jar Jar not annoying, he’s an interesting character.

  • #12140

    I read one of those and quite enjoyed it – episode IV or V, I think. It was clever the way they rewrote famous lines in iambic pentameter.

  • #12142

    Is it like, “Once more unto the trench, dear boys, once more.”

    I’m now imagining an R2 soliloquy.

  • #12145

    Is it like, “Once more unto the trench, dear boys, once more.”

  • #12146

    #VerilyMakeHasteTheShakespeareCutRelease

  • #12161

    To mark the fact that Yoda speaks differently, instead of iambic pentameter, his lines are haikus

  • #12179

    About 80% of the books I read are electronic, since it’s just more convenient for my commute; however, I have a handful of paper books that I picked up over the last couple of years but never got around to reading. So, as part of a 2020 resolution, I’m going to make an effort to tackle more actual books this year, starting with a history of the Mayflower Pilgrims called Making Haste From Babylon.

  • #12195

    Virginia Woolf – To The Lighthouse.

    I know it’s mega-famous and one of those books everybody is supposed to read, but I’ll be honest: I’m only reading it because one of my favourite singers (and lyricists) claims to have been influenced by it.

    I spent the first few pages being quite annoyed because there is no plot. Literally, nothing happens, it’s just characters thinking about how nothing is happening.

    Then I realised that was the whole point, and suddenly started appreciating it for what it is. It’s not about things, it’s purely about the people. And it’s quite amazing the way it captures how people think, and the characters’ thoughts quickly become engrossing. And the words have a sort of pleasant flow to them, so it’s just nice to read.

    I’m really enjoying it, and I understand now why Woolf is held in such high regard.

  • #12214

    I’ll have to get round to reading To The Lighthouse. I’ve read Mrs. Dalloway and some of her essays.

    I wonder how many potentially great writers got lost along the way for want of A Room of One’s Own.

  • #12455

    I’ve had What The Hell Did I Just Read? by David Wong, the third in his ‘John and Dave‘ comedy-horror series, on my to-read list for years now, and finally got around to finishing it. Mainly because of the new reissuing of the first book that came out recently with an epilogue that takes place after it.

    It was mostly worth the wait. The only thing that really kept me from enjoying it or really getting immersed was in how much it sticks to the same trajectory as the previous book, just in terms of basic themes and messages. That, along with the plot itself feeling very sparse for what it is, really hindered an investment. The final pages and overall denouement change a lot of this, but not enough for me to really want to go back and read this with new eyes. What the finale does make me want, however, is another book in the series. Because it finally starts to bring back a plot thread that hasn’t even been broached since the first book, and it’s one of the most interesting ones. Seeing it rear its head again was actually pretty exciting.

    I haven’t read the new epilogue to first book yet, but I hope it follows up on it somewhat, or if not…that it’s just not something that’s forgotten or shoved aside again. These past two sequels have been fun diversions, but I’d like some substance too. This got close to it, but it needs a little more kick to it.

    Overall

    7/10

  • #12506

    I wonder how many potentially great writers got lost along the way for want of A Room of One’s Own.

    I’m reading A Room of One’s Own now. It’s strange, I know it’s supposed to be a great feminist essay, but her main argument seems to be that the main necessity for a great writer is to have lots of money :unsure:

     

  • #12830

    I wonder how many potentially great writers got lost along the way for want of A Room of One’s Own.

    I’m reading A Room of One’s Own now. It’s strange, I know it’s supposed to be a great feminist essay, but her main argument seems to be that the main necessity for a great writer is to have lots of money :unsure:

     

    She’s wrong.

    Everyone knows to be a great writer you have to suffer for your art and live in a lofty garret with broken windows in Paris having nowt but a bucket of absinthe and 60 Gauloises per day for sustenance with only a pet pigeon for company.

    But then again you’d need money to get to Paris in the first place and to feed the pigeon.

    Oh, she’s right!

    Also, I have never seen a baby pigeon.

  • #12834

    I wonder how many potentially great writers got lost along the way for want of A Room of One’s Own.

    I’m reading A Room of One’s Own now. It’s strange, I know it’s supposed to be a great feminist essay, but her main argument seems to be that the main necessity for a great writer is to have lots of money :unsure:

     

    She’s wrong.

    Everyone knows to be a great writer you have to suffer for your art and live in a lofty garret with broken windows in Paris having nowt but a bucket of absinthe and 60 Gauloises per day for sustenance with only a pet pigeon for company.

    But then again you’d need money to get to Paris in the first place and to feed the pigeon.

    Oh, she’s right!

    Also, I have never seen a baby pigeon.

    Don’t forget about the side trip to Prague so you can really discover yourself.

  • #12839

    Ha. A bloke once told me all about his discovering in Prague.

  • #12855

    I have also never seen a baby pigeon, though I hadn’t realised that fact until you said it.

  • #12864

    I would now very much like to unsee the image I’ve just seen of a baby pigeon.

  • #12874

    I would now very much like to unsee the image I’ve just seen of a baby pigeon.

    Maybe a trip to Prague might be in order?

  • #12898

    I’ve been reading Raymond Chandler’s Killer In The Rain recently. It’s the last of the Marlowe books (though is actually a collection of short stories featuring proto-Marlowes, the plots of which were recycled into some of the novels). It’s been quite interesting mostly, some of the stories feeling like nice, cut-down alternatives to bits of the novels (the equivalent of omnibus edits of Doctor Who serials).

    Unfortunately, I’ve reached the end of the book and it turns out it’s missing 20 odd pages, ending in the middle of a sentence. Pretty annoying to begin with, even more so because all my copies are matching editions, now OOP and replaced with different designs on the same ISBN, and I bought this two years ago (along with the two or three other ones I hadn’t read then, to finish the set) to beat the change over in design. So I can’t get a refund or replacement. :negative:

  • #12909

    That sucks, Martin. I had a similar experience years ago with a paperback novel, where 32 pages were duplicated and another 32 were missing. I imagine somebody, somewhere, has my missing pages and I have his.

  • #13005

    It’s happened to me before. Both with purchased books and library books. I don’t deal well with those kinds of instances and demand replacements that are complete or at least make sure that those flawed copies are taken out of circulation. With purchased books, i have gotten trade credit if a correct replacement is unavailable.

    all my copies are matching editions, now OOP and replaced with different designs on the same ISBN,

    sorry to hear that Martin. Personally I have never cared about the look of the cover. As a child I read books without covers before I realized that was wrong.

     

  • #13024

    Personally I have never cared about the look of the cover. As a child I read books without covers before I realized that was wrong.

    You’re not that guy on Twitter the other day who showed off large books he’d sliced in half (along the spine, obv) to make more portable, are you?

     

  • #13070

    Unfortunately, I’ve reached the end of the book and it turns out it’s missing 20 odd pages, ending in the middle of a sentence. Pretty annoying to begin with, even more so because all my copies are matching editions, now OOP and replaced with different designs on the same ISBN, and I bought this two years ago (along with the two or three other ones I hadn’t read then, to finish the set) to beat the change over in design. So I can’t get a refund or replacement.

    That sucks, Martin. I had a similar experience years ago with a paperback novel, where 32 pages were duplicated and another 32 were missing. I imagine somebody, somewhere, has my missing pages and I have his.

    Both of these things are common in book printing.  It’s a manufacturing process.  Shit happens.  The rollover in trade design is meant to refresh the books every so often.

    As a child I read books without covers before I realized that was wrong.

    Were you getting “strips” from somewhere?  These are usually books that in order to refresh the cover design (like mentioned above) or thin unsalable stock, the covers are torn off and returned to the publisher for credit “proving” that the book has been destroyed.

  • #13092

    There’s no such thing as a baby pigeon. Adult pigeons materialize fully formed out of discarded newspapers and cigarette butts.

  • #13125

    So, actual book talk.

    Killer In The Rain – this is the last bit of Chandler I’ve got around to reading, and it’s taken a while because of how bad a taste Playback left in my brain. This is the other end of Chandler’s career though, his early short stories for pulp magazines, which were recycled to varying degrees for the later novels.

    Even having read the novels, it’s quite interesting to read the original shorts and they largely stand up as an alternative take on them. For instance, there’s three shorts that make up pretty much the entirety of Farewell My Lovely (one of my favourites of the novels) and they stand up pretty well individually. Chandler’s style is pretty well established from the off and there’s very little that changes from here to the full length pieces other than that he spends more time on imagery about the city and minor philosophical ramblings in the later works.

    That said, The Mandarin’s Jade is a real stinker though. It’s one of the constituent parts of Farewell My Lovely and yet is just absolutely rife with racism that isn’t present elsewhere. I mean, there’s the racism to some degree in all of Chandler’s work and most of it can be put down to “it was the style of the times” – dated slang and attitudes and whatnot – but Mandarin’s Jade is a whole step beyond that. There’s a Native American character that reads like he’s just stepped out of the Beano’s Little Plum and it’s full of unpleasant racial slurs. An odd aberration.

    Life Moves Pretty Fast by Hadley Freeman. I read this over New Year and it’s a book about the life lessons to be found in 80s movies (the mainstream ones, not “cinema”) and why you wouldn’t get them in modern movies. I mean, when it says “to be found” it really means “that the author found” in them, but that’s fine. It’s largely an interesting read and certainly spurred in me a drive to watch or rewatch a huge long list of films. The chapter on Tim Burton’s Batman is a bit crap though, as it seems more interested in explaining why Christopher Nolan’s Batman films are bad rather than anything about Burton’s. A decent read if you like 80s films.

    Everyone’s Just So So Special by Robert Shearman. I’m a few stories into reading this now, a short story collection by Shearman, who you may remember wrote arguably the best episode in the first season of modern Doctor Who and then didn’t do another. He’s done a lot of work for Big Finish though, who published this (and his other collections).

    It’s hard going. Not because of the subject matter (although, yes because of that, but I’ll come back to it), but from the layout and construction alone. It’s a big book, in dimension terms, for a paperback. Not at trade-paperback levels (the prose tpbs are the same size as hardcovers) but big still, and the margins and gutters are fairly small. The text dominates each page and Shearman doesn’t always bother with line breaks for new speakers, so you end up with huge slabs of text, monolithic paragraphs.

    On top of this, between each story is a instalment of a sort of timeline of historical failures/death (mostly Roman emperors so far), with comments from someone (not necessarily Shearman, but maybe?) injected occasionally. These are presented in a tiny typeface (7 pt maybe) with no formatting beyond bold and italics, so it’s just another solid block of text filling a page. I’m having to use a bookmark as a line guide, which I don’t think I’ve done since primary school, if ever.

    The stories themselves are also hard going to a degree too. I’m three in and they’re all incredibly bleak. Inventive and clever and interesting, but so bleak. The one I just read for instance is about a guy who becomes a curator at a gallery that houses years, not paintings. He’s been assigned by the Curator, who seems to run this civilisation. The guy is put off a bit by the woman he’s assisting, but soon falls in love with her, though they begin to forget, as working on cleaning up the years they’re assigned starts to get into their heads, displacing their memories. Eventually, the (unseen) Curator decides that they need to stop restoring and start editing the years a bit, to make them have a narrative build to the final year – 2038 – which he sees as his final triumph, before deciding that actually, none of the others matter and he wants them all destroyed. It slowly becomes apparent that the Curator is the anti-Christ and these people are living in hell after the Rapture or whatever in 2038. The two restorers see all the years in the gallery destroyed, but save the one insignificant year the guy was training on, take it up to the now ruined Earth and spread it out across the planet, to live in and hide from the inevitable wrath of the Curator. Which… yeah.

    So it’s not an easy read. Not something I feel I can just dip in and out of at the drop of a hat anyway, so I might break my cardinal rule and read a comic concurrently with it, as a bit of light relief (got a Lee/Heck Avengers Epic waiting). But it is interesting and enjoyable, on some level, and really makes me rue that someone this inventive seemingly decided he was done with Doctor Who after just one (TV) story.

  • #13136

    makes me rue that someone this inventive seemingly decided he was done with Doctor Who after just one (TV) story

    He did quite a bit of other Doctor Who stuff for Big Finish apparently. I gather that Dalek was to some extent an adaptation of one of those earlier stories.

  • #13143

    makes me rue that someone this inventive seemingly decided he was done with Doctor Who after just one (TV) story

    He did quite a bit of other Doctor Who stuff for Big Finish apparently. I gather that Dalek was to some extent an adaptation of one of those earlier stories.

    Yeah, I should have phrased it “was done with (TV) Doctor Who after one story.”

  • #13145

    Gotcha, sorry.

  • #13147

    No worries.

  • #13564

    ‘Agency’, William Gibson’s follow up to ‘The Peripheral’ and probably the second part of a trilogy.

    It’s set in an alternate 2017 where the US Presidential election and the Brexit referendum went the other ways. Despite that, there’s a looming crisis and the protagonist finds herself at the centre of attention from various factions including a tech-startup, an experimental AI and a group from an alternate future where things went differently, and turned out badly for the world.

    It’s very Gibson, which I enjoy, despite the fact that I recognise his stock cast of characters now. Female lead with a cutting edge arty talent, billionaires pulling strings, street level hustlers, special forces/intelligence types with their own issues, AI of some sort and a big technology idea driving the plot in a semi-McGuffin way sometimes.

    But he writes very well, is very readable and accessible and does explore a lot of interesting ideas.

    The first few chapters were a bit too fast and light, but I’m halfway through and things have come together well. We’ll see where it ends up?

  • #13586

    I’m reading a book on the 80 years war when the Dutch revolted against Spanish rule. I like the structure of the book, it gives a fairly succinct summary of the main events and mechanisms in the war and the political leaders and then concentrates on related subjects, like the effects on society and religion. And it has nice pictures!

  • #13621

    the Dutch revolted against Spanish rule

    Or, as the tabloids of the time called it, “Duxit”.

  • #13664

    ‘Agency’, William Gibson’s follow up to ‘The Peripheral’ and probably the second part of a trilogy.

    It’s set in an alternate 2017 where the US Presidential election and the Brexit referendum went the other ways. Despite that, there’s a looming crisis and the protagonist finds herself at the centre of attention from various factions including a tech-startup, an experimental AI and a group from an alternate future where things went differently, and turned out badly for the world.

    It’s very Gibson, which I enjoy, despite the fact that I recognise his stock cast of characters now. Female lead with a cutting edge arty talent, billionaires pulling strings, street level hustlers, special forces/intelligence types with their own issues, AI of some sort and a big technology idea driving the plot in a semi-McGuffin way sometimes.

    But he writes very well, is very readable and accessible and does explore a lot of interesting ideas.

    The first few chapters were a bit too fast and light, but I’m halfway through and things have come together well. We’ll see where it ends up?

    I’ve been hesitant to pick up Agency.  I love Gibson (and all of his tics) but really didn’t love Peripheral.  Is this one any better despite being set in the same world?  The Blue Ant Trilogy is probably peak Gibson for me if that helps.

  • #13691

    the Dutch revolted against Spanish rule

    Or, as the tabloids of the time called it, “Duxit”.

    The history of the word “Dutch” is funny. Basically in the Middle Ages and maybe up until the 17th century most Dutch referred to themselves as “Diets” or “Duits” depending on the dialect. Which is the same word we still use for the Germans. Basically we thought of ourselves as Germans. Although there probably was a stronger identification with the specific provinces people lived in, people would probably refer to themselves as “Hollander” or “Gelderlander” or “Fries” etc first and foremost rather than Diets/Dutch.

     

    I think it was later that people started thinking of themselves as “Nederlander” which is the the term used nowadays. Diets is very archaic, nobody uses it. Except in English.

  • #13692

    double post

  • #13697

    I’ve been hesitant to pick up Agency.  I love Gibson (and all of his tics) but really didn’t love Peripheral.  Is this one any better despite being set in the same world?  The Blue Ant Trilogy is probably peak Gibson for me if that helps.

    Well I wont know for sure until I finish the book and I’m reading while commuting, so I probably have a few more days to go.

    Right now, it’s ok, but feels a little aimless. The title is a deliberate indicator that Gibson is exploring (amongst other things) the concept of agency, and the ability (or lack thereof) of anyone to control what happens to them.

    But the lead character, or at least the one with the most page time, isn’t really making any decisions, instead being told where to go and what to do, and the book hasn’t (so far) reflected on that too deeply.

    To me it reads like Gibson got more interested in some of the other people in his story, and in the prototype AI most of all, but didn’t then rewrite to shift the narrative over enough.

    But it may well come together again by the end.

  • #13708

    I’ve been hesitant to pick up Agency.  I love Gibson (and all of his tics) but really didn’t love Peripheral.  Is this one any better despite being set in the same world?  The Blue Ant Trilogy is probably peak Gibson for me if that helps.

    Well I wont know for sure until I finish the book and I’m reading while commuting, so I probably have a few more days to go.

    Right now, it’s ok, but feels a little aimless. The title is a deliberate indicator that Gibson is exploring (amongst other things) the concept of agency, and the ability (or lack thereof) of anyone to control what happens to them.

    But the lead character, or at least the one with the most page time, isn’t really making any decisions, instead being told where to go and what to do, and the book hasn’t (so far) reflected on that too deeply.

    To me it reads like Gibson got more interested in some of the other people in his story, and in the prototype AI most of all, but didn’t then rewrite to shift the narrative over enough.

    But it may well come together again by the end.

    Thanks for the review.  I’ll be interested what you think about the end.

  • #13791

    double post

    Trying … so … hard … to … resist ….

     

  • #13823

    “Nederlander”

    when I lived in Colorado, I loved going up to Nederland.

    https://nederlandco.org/

    For music historians, they had https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caribou_Ranch which had major recordings until 1985 when it had fire damage and stopped recording.

     

     

     

  • #13964

    I finished ‘Agency’ on the train today. It’s ok.

    But while I enjoyed Gibson’s prose and some of his insights as much as I usually do, there’s really very little narrative drive. It’s not a page turner.

    A lot of things happen, but the heart of the story comes down to a couple of questions that bubble under the surface for 90% of the book, then get a sort of resolution-ish at the end.

    But bear in mind that I DID enjoy ‘The Peripheral’ and I’m comparing it to this.

    For me, a lot of the plot elements in ‘Agency’ are interesting and have a lot of dramatic potential, but Gibson never gets the best out of them.

    I felt this about one of his previous novels, ‘All Tomorrow’s Parties’. It felt like a much looser book than those around it, and this does too.

    EDIT:

    I just saw a tweet that Gibson was in London, signing books at Forbidden Planet. Bugger.

  • #14010

    I felt this about one of his previous novels, ‘All Tomorrow’s Parties’. It felt like a much looser book than those around it, and this does too.

    Interesting, All of Tomorrow’s Parties is one of my favorite Gibson books.  It and Pattern Recognition are probably my two favorites.

  • #14033

    You might love ‘Agency’ then!

    I thought it was ok, never boring, but I was never swept along by it either.

    I could see Gibson picking the pieces too clearly, just because he liked them, not because the narrative meant they naturally emerged in the story.

  • #14890

    Here’s a general question:

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    I’m chaotic good (surprise!). You?

     

  • #14922

    I’m chaotic good (surprise!). You?

    Yeah, me too, but sometimes also lawful evil.

    It’s a fun little chart, this.

  • #14939

    Chaotic good, currently a tram ticket.

  • #14949

    Chaotic Good

    My late sister Connie had a habit of losing bookmarks until she started using $1 bills. She never lost a bookmark again.

  • #14966

    Mostly lawful neutral these days, but chaotic good with actual paper books.

  • #14981

    Where does bending a hardback’s jacket to the page fall?

  • #14984

    Ooh, now that is an omission. I do that a lot.

    I veer between lawful good, chaotic good and true neutral most of the time.

  • #14993

    Where does bending a hardback’s jacket to the page fall?

    I would probably classify it as Chaotic Good.

  • #15005

    I oscillate between true neutral and chaotic evil. But sometimes I’m chaotic good.

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  • #15020

    I flick back and forth between chaotic evil and lawful evil.

  • #15101

    My current bookmark is a laminated sports ticket. it is durable like a bookmark but it is like a receipt. I would say that is chaotic neutral (combo of true neutral and chaotic good). I don’t understand the leaf anyways so I will go with my version of Chaotic Neutral. I am lucky that my work lets me use the laminating machine to save my tickets.

  • #15322

    True Neutral. Which ought to be Lawful Neutral, with ebooks consigned to one of the evil alignments.

  • #15323

    but sometimes also lawful evil

    Show off.

  • #15327

    Currently reading a history of the real pirates of the Caribbean, EMPIRE OF BLUE WATER (by Stephan Talty), focusing primarily on Henry Morgan, aka Captain Morgan to people who like Jamaican rum. A pretty fascinating story of how this Welshman began as a privateer who received a commission from the English monarchy in the mid-1600s to attack Spanish ships along the South American coast, to eventually become the Lieutenant Governor of the British colony of Jamaica.

  • #15539

    My current bookmark is a laminated sports ticket. it is durable like a bookmark but it is like a receipt. I would say that is chaotic neutral (combo of true neutral and chaotic good). I don’t understand the leaf anyways so I will go with my version of Chaotic Neutral. I am lucky that my work lets me use the laminating machine to save my tickets.

    Does it not completely black them out?  Are sports tickets not printed on heat paper anymore?

  • #15722

    Nope, it is a season Ticket. they are printed on thin cardboard like paper. i don’t have mine with me but here is a picture of a similar ticket.

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  • #15725

    Usually proper bookmarks, but I have used scraps of paper before.

    I read the Great Gatsby over the weekend (mostly Sunday). Surprisingly short. Even after seeing the slimness of the book I was surprised, as the first 50 odd pages were an introduction (which I skimmed over when I’d finished). Pretty good, overall. Glad I read it (first) rather than watching one of the film versions, as despite the deceptive simplicity of the plot and the glamour of the parties, it’s not desperately filmable, I’d say.

  • #15754

    Nope, it is a season Ticket. they are printed on thin cardboard like paper. i don’t have mine with me but here is a picture of a similar ticket.

    Cool.  I used to work for the media department at the university I attended.  One of the first things someone had me laminate was hockey tickets (on heat paper).  I was horrified when they came out the other end completely black.  I had no way of knowing at the time.  I did have a lot of laminated posters back then.

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  • #15766

    Finished the Dune books- including the prequel & midquel books. Now reading Clarke’s    Space Odyssey books- 2oo1 a Space Odyssey’s  novelization & its sequels

  • #15768

    Read The Player of Games, one of the earliest Culture novels by Iain Banks. It is very good, as always. The plot is that the Contact division  convinces the probably best game-player of the Culture to head to an Empire inside of which many things – prestige, career progress, finally even the position of Emperor – are built on the proficiency in a specific strategic game that is a representation of the structure and way of life of this Empire. It’s supposed to be both a diplomatic thing and a bit of an experiment in how well an outside might do in this Empire’s game, as Contact is at a bit of a loss as to how to deal with it – it is the dominant ruling power in its part of the galaxy, and exerts its power brutally, but while it poses no danger to the culture, going to war with it would mean considerable loss of life on all sides.

    Apart from showing the protagonist’s slow progress in the game and the court intrigue world he has been put into – and in which forces inside the Empire are of course trying to remove him from the game – the novel explores the differences of the Culture’s society built on freedom, individualism and anarchy and the Empire’s built on dominance, collectivism and hierarchy. This is all mirrored in the game itself, and the game passages are fun to read even if I was never quite able to imagine the game itself.

    It’s a fun read, a pretty slim novel and a good representatin of the Culture books in general. Highly recommended.

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  • #15774

    Finished the Dune books- including the prequel & midquel books. Now reading Clarke’s    Space Odyssey books- 2oo1 a Space Odyssey’s  novelization & its sequels

    I enjoyed those Odyssey books a lot when I read them as a teenager.

    It’s interesting to note that the first 2001 isn’t a novelisation of the film as such, but a version of the story in novel form that was worked on alongside the movie, rather than adapting it afterwards.

    There are some interesting differences between the two (such as the Saturn setting in the book vs Jupiter in the film), and it’s also interesting that the subsequent books act more as sequels to the movie than the first book (eg. shifting the setting to Jupiter – which confused me a lot as a kid, as I read them before seeing the movie).

  • #15819

    I started reading GoT a few months back… I’m only a few chapters in, since I read like one chapter every 2 weeks or so… It’s kinda crazy how similar it is to the first season… they did a bang up job adapting it for sure…

  • #15902

    I’m lawful evil most of the time. I’m not claiming I can always remember the exact page number but I get close enough.

  • #16691
    • I’m enjoying it, so I plan on reading Clarke’s Rama series next, and then, keeping with the big three of sci-fi, Asimov’s Foundation series.
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