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Time for a new politics thread. Guessing it’ll be fairly quiet given the calm and measured state of world politics today.

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  • #37840

    It’s a fucking shitshow.

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  • #37852

    http://www.arethebritsatitagain.com

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  • #37897

    international law

    Words seldom heard together in the British chambers of government, I imagine.

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  • #37903

    It’s all getting rather more serious rather fast, with the lawyers who have signed off the bill likely to face professional misconduct, as they are under oath to uphold the law, 100% of the time.  …. I mean, who knew, right?  That an oath was binding on all activity?

    Sadly, the frequent precedent of recent years is whatever might be said about a government proposal, even an illegal one, the party MPs loyally line up to vote for it regardless.

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  • #37907

    Everyone who voted for the bill should also be prosecuted.

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  • #37914

    Why Trump’s New Nickname For Biden Could Backfire

    https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2020/09/10011391/trump-basement-biden-twitter-nickname-meaning

    Nov 3 can’t come soon enough.

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  • #37924

    Why Trump’s New Nickname For Biden Could Backfire

    https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2020/09/10011391/trump-basement-biden-twitter-nickname-meaning

    Nov 3 can’t come soon enough.

    Shit, Trump can’t fucking die soon enough.

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  • #37928

    There’s an interesting take in The Guardian combining both these stories. If Biden wins then he and the Democrats are staunch defenders of the Good Friday agreement, which was mediated by George Mitchell on the request of Bill Clinton. This UK breach of international law runs roughshod over it.

    In fact many Republicans are staunch defenders too so they are getting pushback from the US either way.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/sep/08/brexit-northern-ireland-us-uk-trade-deal

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  • #37946

    Be honest, fellow Brits, aren’t you secretly thrilled to be a citizen of a Rogue State? How cool is that?

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  • #37947

    There’s an interesting take in The Guardian combining both these stories. If Biden wins then he and the Democrats are staunch defenders of the Good Friday agreement, which was mediated by George Mitchell on the request of Bill Clinton. This UK breach of international law runs roughshod over it.

    In fact many Republicans are staunch defenders too so they are getting pushback from the US either way.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/sep/08/brexit-northern-ireland-us-uk-trade-deal

    There’s been a lot of statements from US politicians that are basically saying the UK will be low down the list for a trade deal if they don’t honour the Good Friday Agreement, and a lot of that I think is down to both how powerful the Irish-American lobby is, and that it’s divided between very liberal and very conservative sub-factions who pretty much only agree on Irish Nationalism.

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  • #37959

    http://www.arethebritsatitagain.com

    are the Brits a tit again? :unsure:

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  • #37968

    Both work

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  • #38002

    Johnson has gone into full-blown fantasy mode today, outlining plans to imminently ramp up testing capacity to several million per day (at a time when they are struggling to manage a couple of hundred thousand) and get people back into offices/shared areas en masse based on new technologies that don’t exist yet but hopefully will in the future at some point (after failing to successfully put together a comparatively simple test and trace system over the past six months).

    Being ambitious and forward thinking has its place, but this seems detached from reality rather than a realistic goal.

    Maybe first let’s focus on being able to process sufficient tests for people who think they might actually have COVID-19, and then take it from there?

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  • #38005

    based on new technologies that don’t exist yet but hopefully will in the future at some point

    Applying their Irish border solution to another desperate situation.

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  • #38009

    Johnson has gone into full-blown fantasy mode today, outlining plans to imminently ramp up testing capacity to several million per day (at a time when they are struggling to manage a couple of hundred thousand) and get people back into offices/shared areas en masse based on new technologies that don’t exist yet but hopefully will in the future at some point (after failing to successfully put together a comparatively simple test and trace system over the past six months).

    Being ambitious and forward thinking has its place, but this seems detached from reality rather than a realistic goal.

    Maybe first let’s focus on being able to process sufficient tests for people who think they might actually have COVID-19, and then take it from there?

     

    Weird how diferently countries seem to be handling this. Boris Johnson’s plan sounds very dystopian, with people having to be tested daily to go anywhere.

    The number is patients in icu in the Netherlands is 45 now, in the whole country. It used to be over a thousand, and also the number of deaths has crawled to a halt. Since May it has hardly risen. That is more significant than the rising number of cases. If any politician here in the Netherlands comes with draconian measures now, I hope the people will call for him to be removed. I believe Sweden is the only country that has done this the right way.

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  • #38023

    I believe Sweden is the only country that has done this the right way.

    I think Sweden definitely did it the right way for Sweden, but that doesn’t mean you could’ve done the same in other countries and got the same results. Germany got away with a very limited and short lockdown, and we’ve been doing fine since. We’ll see how schools without masks in the classroom goes, but overall, the infection numbers remain stable and there’s been very few limitations on public life in the last few months.

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  • #38025

    ohnson has gone into full-blown fantasy mode today, outlining plans to imminently ramp up testing capacity to several million per day (at a time when they are struggling to manage a couple of hundred thousand) and get people back into offices/shared areas en masse based on new technologies that don’t exist yet but hopefully will in the future at some point

    It’s yet another way to funnel billions of public money to his and Dom’s mates. You only have to look at the quickly-forgotten scandal of the billions of pounds in PPE contracts that were awarded to non-existent companies to see that our government is every bit as corrupt as the Trump administration.

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  • #38028

    Both work

    Epic meme fail, Gar.

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  • #38033

    Weird how diferently countries seem to be handling this. Boris Johnson’s plan sounds very dystopian, with people having to be tested daily to go anywhere.

    I think that’s a pretty radical and wholly inaccurate take on on what’s actually happening. Admittedly not helped by the guff Johnson spouts.

    Nobody in the UK has to take a test and definitely not daily. People are being advised if they show any of the 3 major symptoms – fever, dry cough, loss of taste/smell – to go to a testing centre and take a test to confirm. That’s all pretty reasonable, if you get other symptoms you go to the doctor the same way.

    The problem is they haven’t had enough so people are being directed to centres 100 miles away and sometimes finding they are being turned back. So he’s blathering on about millions of tests to cover his arse for what it basically just bad planning for a common sense measure.

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  • #38034

    I think that’s a pretty radical and wholly inaccurate take on on what’s actually happening. Admittedly not helped by the guff Johnson spouts. Nobody in the UK has to take a test and definitely not daily.

    His batshit plan outlined yesterday involved millions of people working at offices being tested at the door daily and allowed in only if they test negative. I think that’s what Arjan might be referring to.

    Either way though I think in reality it’s about as likely as me waking up and discovering a vaccine in my bowl of cornflakes, which might well be part of Johnson’s next long-term plan.

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  • #38039

    His batshit plan outlined yesterday involved millions of people working at offices being tested at the door daily and allowed in only if they test negative

    Fair enough I’ll take it back then, I hadn’t seen his full masterplan.

    Not that it’ll happen of course.

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  • #38042

    There was a ‘good faith’ section in the Withdrawal Agreement. So, ‘will break international law’? The government has already done that by announcing and tabling the bill.

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  • #38063

    So Woodward has Trump on tapes that he knew what Covid 19 was but downplayed it and hid the truth.

    Any comments?

  • #38068

    It will still, somehow,change nothing. His base will come up with nonsense defenses and the GOP will remain silent. All we can do is hope enough people vote him out in November.

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  • #38071

    I was happy to see Joe Biden jump on it yesterday and point out to the general public that Trump’s blatant covering up of the seriousness of this pandemic cost hundreds if not thousands of lives that otherwise might have been spared. But like Chris D says, his loyal base will say he did the right thing or somehow blame it on Obama, or whatever it takes for them to be able to sleep at night. And Mitch McConnell will keep depositing his China dividends in the off-shore account, while Nancy and Chuck posture in front of the mirror trying to decide which facemask makes them look tougher.

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  • #38076

    More of Trump being an asshole:

    Trump Slammed After Firing Off Outrageous New Insults At Kamala Harris

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  • #38084

    Trump under fire for intentionally misleading the public about covid-19? No problem, he’ll just act like an asshole to distract people. Works every. single. time.

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  • #38087

    The comments about the killing of Khashoggi and how Trump defended the Saudi Crown Prince is equally concerning.

    The idea that if you have enough money you can escape justice is hard new and shocking, but to see it so plainly expressed by a President is not great.

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  • #38092

    No problem, he’ll just act like an asshole

    He’s not acting.

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  • #38097

    The GOP put up with him because with him as President and the Senate, it is 2 against 1 to the Congress.

    Still, some of the responses about Trump by the GOP is as if they were all brainwashed.

  • #38106

    as if they were all brainwashed.

    by $$$$$$$

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  • #38118

    by $$$$$$$

    …and they all have this brainwashed/cultish look to them, especially McEnany.

    Anyway, what are the chances of the Dems taking back the Senate either this Nov. or in the midterm elections?
    Or is it too early?

  • #38148

    It will still, somehow,change nothing. His base will come up with nonsense defenses and the GOP will remain silent. All we can do is hope enough people vote him out in November.

    Yep. Trump is a huge asshole and a snake oil salesman and a huge cynic who will always look out exclusively for his own interest and will do whatever harm he needs to do to the American people to make a buck more. We know this. Anybody who has paid attention has known it from the start. Nothing that comes out about him will change anybody’s mind. But hopefully that doesn’t need to happen anyway.

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  • #38149

    To put this into context – 40% of Americans polled believe that the US has handled the pandemic better than Canada has.  Which is the kind of bullshit that can be debunked with a calculator and the worldometers page for international numbers open.

    Everyone one of those people who votes will vote for Trump.  And literally nothing that happens in the next two months is changing that.

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  • #38151

    You don’t even need the calculator, they have the pro rated numbers up there already.

    It’s been pretty obvious for a long while that the circa 40% that give Trump a positive approval rating are not shifting an inch whatever he says or does, even if the pee tape comes out. It has become more tribal than ever with Trump having the lowest change in approval ratings of any President (since they started recording them during FDR’s stint). 14 points between his lowest and highest rating. George W Bush had 65, I don’t see you could have that big a shift now.

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  • #38152

    You don’t even need the calculator, they have the pro rated numbers up there already.

    I’ve seen some people argue the relative rates (like claiming the UK has had 3 times the death per million population compared to the US), and you need a calculator to figure out the UK has had like 1.3 times the deaths per million.

  • #38165

    To put this into context – 40% of Americans polled believe that the US has handled the pandemic better than Canada has.  Which is the kind of bullshit that can be debunked with a calculator and the worldometers page for international numbers open.

    Everyone one of those people who votes will vote for Trump.  And literally nothing that happens in the next two months is changing that.

    One of the current things Trump supporters like to tout now is a misreading of a CDC report which said something like 92% of covid deaths in the US Covid wasn’t the sole cause of death listed. That’s a very loose paraphrase because I’m too lazy to look it up. Trump shared it and painted it to mean that it means only 14% of the reported deaths were really caused by covid-19. His supporters jumped on that (even though Twitter immediately flagged it as false), so you’ll see them saying stuff like “only 8% of the deaths were actually caused by covid so the real number of deaths is only 15,000” and bullshit like that. There’s basically no reasoning with a lot of them because they’ll only trust “news” from their own echo chambers.

    It really does feel like the GOP with the help of FOX news have just created a massive cult that consists of 30-40% of the country and will eat up anything they spew out. Of course, they’re also starting to realize they created a monster as now even FOX News gets attacked if they say anything remotely negative about Trump. People are shifting to OANN and embracing QAnon insanity. In response you have some of the FOX cult heads like Tucker Carlson attacking Lindsey Graham because he allegedly is the one who convinced Trump to talk to Woodward. It full blown crazy over here.

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  • #38167

    Social media is a major factor too. There’s almost no middle ground on it.

    On Covid I only see two stances of either ‘I’m not leaving the house until 2023’ or ‘just open everything up, it’s only like flu’. In actual conversations in real life and places like here the majority are saying we have to try and get things moving but with sensible caution. Nobody, and I’m guilty of it, really trumpets a middle ground or moderate statement.

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  • #38168

    and embracing QAnon insanity

    Yeah, on that note, there’s a QAnon adherent running for Congress in Georgia, and the Democrat candidate in her district dropped out and is moving out of state in what are fairly mysterious circumstances.  Perfectly normal year we’re having.

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  • #38248

    ‘Like an Experimental Concentration Camp’: Whistleblower Complaint Alleges Mass Hysterectomies at ICE Detention Center

    I have no words

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  • #38252

    ‘Like an Experimental Concentration Camp’: Whistleblower Complaint Alleges Mass Hysterectomies at ICE Detention Center

    I have no words

    I’ve got a few words, but I can’t really decide wether I should go with “Sieg Heil!” or “SURPRIIIIISE!”.

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  • #38254

    Brexit internal market bill passed with majority of 77.

    Our word is now worth feck all.

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  • #38256

    It’s only worth feck all in a very limited and specific way.

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  • #38257

    Normally, I’d be more inclined to comedy but this is just fucking depressing.

    Just this bill being tabled has done damage, every next success simply compounds it.

    But why give a shit about the national interest when the only one that counts is: What is good for Boris Johnson today?

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  • #38258

    What is good for Boris Johnson today?

    Not Ed Miliband, at least.

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  • #38259

    Except even that equals sweet fuck all.

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  • #38269

    No it means nothing at all in the great scheme of things other than it is fun to see BJ completely obliterated.

    Can you imagine if they had President’s Questions in the US congress and put someone like AOC up against Trump? Again it would achieve little but amusement.

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  • #38271

    Donald Trump Said He’s ‘Entitled’ to a Third Term—And People Are Reacting Accordingly

    https://www.glamour.com/story/donald-trump-said-hes-entitled-to-a-third-term-and-people-are-reacting-accordingly
    Unmitigated cretin.

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  • #38275

    The only sort of thing that will now change people’s view of brexit is stuff like a queue of 7,000 lorries across the entirety of Kent.

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  • #38276

    The only sort of thing that will now change people’s view of brexit is stuff like a queue of 7,000 lorries across the entirety of Kent.

    I was going to say “by which time it’s too late”, but it’s already too late.

  • #38278

    Yeah, it is, all that’s left is going over the cliff and watching those who drove the country off it blame their doing so on the EU.

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  • #38294

    Just saw somebody ask what’s to stop Scotland unilaterally declaring independence tomorrow. All it would need would be the breaking of one legally binding treaty in a very specific and limited way.

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  • #38301

    They better seize the nukes at Faslane first.

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  • #38421

    Donald Trump accused of sexual assault by former model Amy Dorris

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/17/donald-trump-accused-of-sexual-assault-by-former-model-amy-dorris

    OK, I’ve lost count. How many women have come out accusing Trump of sexual impropriety?

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  • #38442

    OK, I’ve lost count. How many women have come out accusing Trump of sexual impropriety?

    All of them. Every single one of them.

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  • #38483

    I feel sorry for the poor woman but her timing stinks imo. There are so many , again imo, more important topics involving Trump that we don’t need another distraction diverting attention from his Presidential/Electoral actions to his personal behavior.  Here’s one now

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/17/health/coronavirus-testing-cdc.html

    This article talks about how HHS published information on the CDC website that the CDC did not approve. He and his affiliates/cronies are doing everything to minimize the impact of Covid and straight out lie about their progress in developing a vaccine and testing guidelines.

    HHS is the boss over CDC but how would you like if your boss, an administrator, wrote an article about your area of expertise and used your name as the author despite using a feeble knowledge base and horrible fact checking skills and the article’s main purpose is to make your boss’ boss look good.

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  • #38521

    North Carolina Rejecting Four Times As Many Black Voters’ Ballots Compared to White Voters

    Now I’m really glad I relocated back North.

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  • #38525

    RBG has died. Our country is supremely fucked. Rest in peace RBG, you fought hard.

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  • #38544

    RBG has died. Our country is supremely fucked. Rest in peace RBG, you fought hard.

    Don’t worry, I’m sure the Demorats will successfully argue that they should wait until after the election to replace her, like the Republicans did  after Scalia died

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  • #38546

    RBG has died. Our country is supremely fucked. Rest in peace RBG, you fought hard.

    Shit. Shit. Shit.

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  • #38547

    Oh shit

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  • #38548

    This season of Veep is maybe my least favourite so far.

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  • #38549

    I can’t believe we haven’t all taken more time to consider how rough Boris Johnson has it these days.

    (I’d have just pasted that plain-text, but it’s behind the Time’s paywall).

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  • #38551

    Fuck.

  • #38552

    Higgins dog Sioda has passed. A momentuous day. Mandatory tip of the hat and raising of the glass for all irish.

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  • #38553

    I’ve seen Bród and Síoda around more than I have Mickey D or Sabina.  They always looked adorable and majestic on the grounds of Áras an Uachtarain.

  • #38555

    US:

    Now you know that Trump and Mitch will try to quickly push for a replacement for RBG. Always trying to pull a fast one…

    Now Twitter is going crazy, and some are saying: “F*ck everyone who didn’t vote for Hilary!” One person even posted about wanting to travel to the parallel world where Clinton won in 2016.

    A few saw all this coming, but most were fickle, wishy washy, and ignorant about voting, never realizing the importance of that election until now.

    Now Trump will get two of his people on the SCOTUS. Roe v Wade… look out

  • #38558

    In an exceedingly depressing year, the death of RBG hit pretty hard yesterday. My girlfriend was very sad. She adored RBG. Was lucky enough to see her speak in person and just thought she was incredibly cool.

    The only real hope is that enough GOP Senators refuse to vote on any nominee. Both Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski have said very recently that they wouldn’t. I’d wager that Romney might also break rank considering he’s the one guy who actually voted to convict Trump during the Impeachment. But it would still be a risky bet. Then there are other Senators in close races that might have to seriously consider it. So it’s on the Dems in the Senate to lean hard on about half a dozen GOP senators and hope they can convince at least 4 of them to follow the McConnell precedent of 2016. Unfortunately for America, the Dem leadership isn’t that great so I’m not holding my breath here.

    How I wish we had term limits in congress and the Supreme Court. Lifetime appointments are just dumb.

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  • #38573

    Saw some interesting analysis that Trump may hold off. His hold on evangelicals last time was with his list of SC nominations. So he dangles it instead as a promise in the election.

    The truth is now everyone has to break the ‘rules’ when one side does so blatantly.

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  • #38581

    This isn’t exactly a reassuring image:

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  • #38594

    Saw some interesting analysis that Trump may hold off. His hold on evangelicals last time was with his list of SC nominations. So he dangles it instead as a promise in the election.

    Huh. Yeah, that’d actually make sense for him. Let’s hope he goes through with that strategy.

    I mean, not that it makes any difference if he does get re-elected and we all go darkest timeline anyway.

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  • #38599

    Sadly it doesn’t look like it’s going that way.

    Trump vows to nominate a woman for US supreme court vacancy within a week

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  • #38600

    Trump vows to nominate a woman

    It’s going to be his fucking daughter, isn’t it?

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  • #38607

    The truth is now everyone has to break the ‘rules’ when one side does so blatantly.

    While it does happen on both sides, the Republican myopia is especially strong. They don’t see that they are setting a precedent that the Democrats can take advantage of.

  • #38611

    Both Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski have said very recently that they wouldn’t.

    Both of them have proven in the past that what they say and what they do are two different things. Remember Brett Kavanagh?

    Dave wrote:

    Trump vows to nominate a woman

    It’s going to be his fucking daughter, isn’t it?

    No, it’s going to be the other daughter.  :-)

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  • #38613

    Oh agreed, Collins and Murkowski can’t exactly be taken at their word. No one in the GOP can. I mean we have Lindsey Graham back in 2016 saying if a justice seat needed to be filled in 2020 that it absolutely should wait until after the election and said “use my own words against me” if it happens. He even reiterated that in 2018. But then he got butt hurt when a bunch of ladies made Brett Kavanagh cry and completely flip-flopped. I don’t trust a single one of them.

    I could easily see Collins going back on what she’s said. It all will come down to if she thinks she can salvage her re-election campaign by refusing to vote.

    But yeah, all this could backfire on the GOP. If they ram this through and it helps boost the Dems to the Senate majority and the presidency, you can kiss the filibuster goodbye. I wouldn’t be surprised at that point to see them try to stack the court and then vote to make DC and Puerto Rico states. Would all of that work? No clue, but I could certainly see it being attempted.

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  • #38615

    While it does happen on both sides, the Republican myopia is especially strong. They don’t see that they are setting a precedent that the Democrats can take advantage of.

    The problem is, the Democrats will say that they shouldn’t do this because they’re the reasonable party and attempt to appeal to “moderate Republicans”, still not realising that all the moderate Republicans already vote Democrat.

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  • #38628

    Thing is other judges on the SC are not getting younger, and if this man gets 4 more years, he could end up appointing another 3-4 more IIRC… Social media postings and tweets are off the hook telling others this is what you get for not voting against him and sitting out the midterms: No presidency, no Senate, and it looks to be no SC in your favor.

    One personal clarification if you will: Years ago, I was reprimanded on MW for mentioning American ignorance. I kind of clarified what I was saying by all these polls on what people now believe on climate change, the virus, anti maskers, even challenging the doctors and scientists. There is a whole list of beliefs on other topics like conspiracy theories, the Holocaust and moon landing was a hoax, Obama was the antichrist, and so on. To be clear, I never said that the average American voter is stupid, just that you would be surprised at the belief system some have. Now to hear about some still fickle, wishy washy, and STILL undecided to take action, it just makes one wonder. For all we know it could be this TikTok ban that will turn the tide.

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  • #38648

    While it does happen on both sides, the Republican myopia is especially strong. They don’t see that they are setting a precedent that the Democrats can take advantage of.

    My point was that it doesn’t really happen on both sides. One has been playing  by the rules (mostly, they are far from perfect) while the other is completely disregarding them.

    As Chris has mentioned the Dem retort now could be things like stacking the court and the two new states and to be frank I don’t know if they have any choice because the other option just seems to abide with a system that is gradually being rigged against them.

     

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  • #38651

    Bill Clinton: ‘Superficially hypocritical’ for Trump and Republicans to push to fill Supreme Court vacancy

    Does it really need to be said that Trump and the Senate GOP are hypocrites?

  • #38671

    Does it really need to be said that Trump and the Senate GOP are hypocrites?

    Yes.

  • #38672

    Does it really need to be said that Trump and the Senate GOP are hypocrites?

    Yes.

    Play it again, Sam.

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  • #38747

    Some harsh but fair words for Labour from Starmer this morning.

    So let’s be blunt. Let’s be brutally honest with ourselves.

    When you lose an election in a democracy, you deserve to.

    You don’t look at the electorate and ask them: ‘What were you thinking?’ You look at yourself and ask: ‘What were we doing?’

    The Labour party has lost four general elections in a row. We’ve granted the Tories a decade of power.

    The Tories have had as many election winners in five years as we’ve had in seventy-five.

    It’s a betrayal of what we believe in to let this go on. It’s time to get serious about winning.

    That means we have to change, and that’s what we’re doing.

    This is a party under new leadership …

    I don’t underestimate the work that will be needed. But I can make this promise:

    Never again will Labour go into an election not being trusted on national security, with your job, with your community and with your money.

    That’s what being under new leadership means.

    I understand people’s reservations about Starmer but it’s nice to see a Labour leader being so blunt and clear about this.

  • #38749

    Finally it’s becoming clear

    Posted by Paul Latham on Isnin, 21 September 2020

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  • #38756

    …And he still makes more sense than Trump…

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  • #38773

    I don’t think that many people understood how high the stakes were in not voting
    against him in 2016 and in sitting out the midterm elections. NOW with the SC thing
    they are scared.

    Do you think people will know better from now on?

  • #38777

    Do you think people will know better from now on?

    People? Yes.

    Americans? No.

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  • #38878

    I know, and that is what worries me.

    We have anti maskers, climate deniers, open racists, alt right, and I can add fickle Americans.

  • #38893

    Don’t forget Nazis, you’ve got Nazis too Al.

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  • #38894

    And Republicans.

  • #38907

    And Republicans.

    That’s an umbrella that covers a lot.

  • #38909

    Cindy McCain rebukes fellow Republican Trump to back Biden

    Well, this is shocking…

    …said no one.

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  • #38923

    Cindy McCain rebukes fellow Republican Trump to back Biden

    Well, this is shocking…

    …said no one.

    Trump is probably shocked, not understanding why.

  • #38925

    Trump won’t commit to peaceful transfer of power if he loses

    Trump being an ass again.

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  • #38959

    Trump being an ass again.

    What do you mean “again”?

    Being an ass is his natural state.

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  • #38989

    Trump won’t commit to peaceful transfer of power if he loses

    Trump being an ass again.

    That’s an understatement. The reports floating around about what his administration may try to do are somewhat terrifying. If the tried it and succeeded, it would likely officially destroy the United States of America.

    All of this rhetoric about not committing to peaceful transitions and voter fraud is really just him setting the table for a power play to outright steal the election.

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  • #38991

    You would think a nation filled with freedom-loving gun-nuts would’ve shot him by now.

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  • #38996

    You would think a nation filled with freedom-loving gun-nuts would’ve shot him by now.

    Those people are his base.

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  • #38998

    Those people are his base.

    Friendly fire is a thing?

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  • #39007

    Those people are his base.

    Friendly fire is a thing?

    Dare to dream…

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